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Clint Eastwood

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Since Oppo has exited the marketplace....what company will take it's place.....this thread is dedicated to possible replacements....the discussion will center on what type of audio replacements might surface....

Let's try and keep this thread for just possible replacements for the Oppo….the other stuff can be posted HERE
 
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This article mentions a possible machine by Pioneer....it's mostly speculation on their part about the capabilities of a "rumored" audiophile machine...I'm not sure what Pioneer looks like these days...they were a superb company...but since their departure from the plasma business they have been on a steady decline...a lot of their engineers left the company....the direction of the company has changed over the years...BUT maybe they can recapture some of their old glory and take advantage of a hole in the marketplace caused by the departure of Oppo….it's there for someone to fill....
 
The Sony UBP-X800 should probably have a place in this discussion.

https://www.sony.com/electronics/blu-ray-disc-players/ubp-x800

Indeed it should...a great price point and handles quite a few audio formats...the main issue that I have heard about is that the unit freezes up a lot...of course this is on the video side...but music concerts could be affected...my second concern is that great price point...it's so cheap that I wonder about the quality of the internal components.....here is a thread on AVS about the unit...it's a long thread...but for someone interested...a lot of good information...
 
Anyone look up why Oppo is closing shop? I wonder if the stand alone hardware disc player isn't just THAT obsolete at this point that it isn't selling. Using a computer for a media server was maybe a little new in the early 2000's but it has been SOP for a lot of us for the last decade. Unrestricted access to all formats and in the fullest quality the format can deliver vs. error prone discs (how about that Floyd bluray thread) and often compromised playback with some formats. Especially all the lossy surround formats made to kludge surround into what were made to be 2 channel containers.

That's been my perspective for a long time now anyway. This is like a golden age of audio with no reason to look back. I get that some people are still using old gear and slow to change and all. But it's getting to the point that a stand alone hardware player vs computer is like the covered wagon vs a new Tesla. A computer and interface (or receiver with integrated interface) is cheaper and does a lot more including letting you make perfect clone backup copies. New format created down the road? Just a quick software download. No hardware upgrade or replacement required.

I don't mean to attack and derail this thread with this. But it surely must be part of the equation now. Or maybe a better way to put that is: the equipment that will replace Oppo's stuff is the audio interface (or surround receiver with integrated interface - ie. HDMI input).
 
IMO, nobody will replace Oppo.
It isn't just the multi-faceted players they make but the extended beta testing, regular firmware updates based on customer feedback, new features, etc. and the unbeatable customer service.
No way do the big boys in audio provide that direct access & knowledge.
Period.
 
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I kind of agree with Milt, I'm not sure anyone will replace Oppo. In addition to being great players in general, Oppos were like the Swiss knife of optical players. But in a few years, they will be seen as audio dinosaurs.

Oppo format capability included nearly everything (in spite of losing some capability in recent models due to licensing agreements that primarily affected burned disks). I'm not at all sure if there is anything on the market now that will play MLP (DVD-A) anymore. DVD-A has basically been banished to the format graveyard to wither alongside VHS and audio cassettes. SACD is holding on by its fingertips and will soon join them.

Oppos always included multichannel analog outputs. Are there ANY other players that still offer that feature? It seems to me that no matter what, the multichannel analog front end is long gone. More and more, designs for players and AVRs/PrePros simply do not accommodate them. And I have to admit, I cant see a reason to include them any more either.

Oppos could be used as decent quality DACs for multichannel file streaming. I think the choice of multichannel stand alone DACs is extremely limited (as opposed to stereo DACs which are plentiful) and they sell for thousands of dollars more than an Oppo does (did).

The fact is, the vast majority of consumers out there don't need or want an optical player at all. They will soon be a novelty, like turntables are now. I mean... consider that there are entire automobile lines that do not even offer disk players for their cars anymore. Chrysler hasn't offered an optical disk player in years and I hear GM is planning to remove them across all their car lines very soon. But they will all link up to the files on your smartphone. Strangely enough, even marine electronics for boats are starting to omit disk players. This trend is not going away folks.

Even audiophiles who truly care about fidelity don't need an Oppo-like product either, because they don't need the multichannel capability. Once that aspect is taken away, there is lots of gear to choose from.

So who is gonna fill the Oppo niche? No one. Because no one needs all that an Oppo could do any more. But there may well be some high end manufacturer out there that see a bit of opportunity to replace the Oppo product. And they may... but nowhere near the price point Oppos were at. The universal optical deck of the future will likely be in the $4-5K range, maybe more. You just cant make a "specialty" product like an Oppo in the small quantities it will sell and charge a reasonable price for it. So in effect, no one will replace Oppo. Only a high end boutique manufacturer will even try. The market for used Oppos will remain strong for a few years, fostered by those audiophiles who are determined to not move on from optical disks.
 
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Cambridge Audio is an obvious choice as many people have contended that under the Cambridge "shell" was basically an Oppo….it does do many of the needed functions HERE I think some of our members have Cambridge players...maybe they can provide some input on their experiences with Cambridge.
 
Cambridge Audio is an obvious choice as many people have contended that under the Cambridge "shell" was basically an Oppo….it does do many of the needed functions HERE I think some of our members have Cambridge players...maybe they can provide some input on their experiences with Cambridge.

Yep. maybe. But consider how much that player may cost once the Oppo "base" is no longer available. It also is not equipped with analog outputs and has no internal converters at all. The Oppo "transport" was about half that cost wasn't it?
 
Yep. maybe. But consider how much that player may cost once the Oppo "base" is no longer available. It also is not equipped with analog outputs and has no internal converters at all. The Oppo "transport" was about half that cost wasn't it?

As I said in my post...it does "many" of the needed functions...certainly not all..and most audio products no longer include analog outputs....but that is an existing model...if they wanted to fill the void...they could produce a model that matched an Oppo a little closer....that's IF they want to...I'm not sure they would want to....it's not a lucrative market...that's why Oppo is leaving...
 
Once again it seems that a certain segment of the market...uh, that be us...is the target of forced obsolescence. Many of us are in or entering retirement and would prefer not to drop a huge load of cash to update to newer technology. Hey, the vinyl people are still around so why not the optical player surround people? So I would hope to see one of the following paths:

- A niche company who produces an Oppo type optical product line: both a really good unit like the UDP-105 and an audiophile unit like the UDP-205 that can handle all of the old codecs and includes analog outputs and is under $2000. (Not holding my breath)

- A specialty company that repairs/modifies legacy universal players to keep them operating...let's say for another decade or so. (Anyone have any leads?)


- Finally, it may simply be time for those resisting technology advancement to bite the bullet and learn how to start ripping our SACD's / DVD-A's onto our computers / music servers. Learning new skills will do our brains good. If it's not here already, perhaps a tutorial on this site to assist us newbies along with a specific forum where we can seek assistance. (Go ahead, tell me it's already here. I can handle the embarrassment.)
 
- Finally, it may simply be time for those resisting technology advancement to bite the bullet and learn how to start ripping our SACD's / DVD-A's onto our computers / music servers. Learning new skills will do our brains good. If it's not here already, perhaps a tutorial on this site to assist us newbies along with a specific forum where we can seek assistance. (Go ahead, tell me it's already here. I can handle the embarrassment.)

yeah its already here... pick your topic its how I learned all about it.
 
Hard to believe that the Oppo's and players like it will become the Q8 Decks and CD-4 Turntables of the future. At least with today's technology we can convert everything to hard drives and RAID arrays and cross our fingers. In the '70s all we could do was archive to reel to reel and hope those things continued working!!
 
Once again it seems that a certain segment of the market...uh, that be us...is the target of forced obsolescence. Many of us are in or entering retirement and would prefer not to drop a huge load of cash to update to newer technology. Hey, the vinyl people are still around so why not the optical player surround people? So I would hope to see one of the following paths:

- A niche company who produces an Oppo type optical product line: both a really good unit like the UDP-105 and an audiophile unit like the UDP-205 that can handle all of the old codecs and includes analog outputs and is under $2000. (Not holding my breath)

- A specialty company that repairs/modifies legacy universal players to keep them operating...let's say for another decade or so. (Anyone have any leads?)

- Finally, it may simply be time for those resisting technology advancement to bite the bullet and learn how to start ripping our SACD's / DVD-A's onto our computers / music servers. Learning new skills will do our brains good. If it's not here already, perhaps a tutorial on this site to assist us newbies along with a specific forum where we can seek assistance. (Go ahead, tell me it's already here. I can handle the embarrassment.)

My Oppo 103D is almost 4 years old and it's just like the day I purchased it and I have a new 203 which I haven't even set up yet....even if you rip your music...you still need a device to listen to music...with help I'm just starting to get into that process now...but don't think for a minute that these discs are just going away in the near future...they will still be around....just not as many...they still haven't been able to stop CDs and DVDs....and as much as I like this new approach of having easy access to the music that you rip....and I DO love it....you have to be aware of the problems with that technology...you must be in a constant state of backing things up or run the risk of losing everything...so instead of 1 defective disc...you are one crash away from losing tons of music...if you don't back it up

Right now discs are still vital to us in the surround community as a source...multichannel rock downloads are scarce...so by the time I go thru 2 Oppos....there should be more multichannel quality downloads out there...
 
Hard to believe that the Oppo's and players like it will become the Q8 Decks and CD-4 Turntables of the future. At least with today's technology we can convert everything to hard drives and RAID arrays and cross our fingers. In the '70s all we could do was archive to reel to reel and hope those things continued working!!

These Oppos will still be relevant for at least a decade...IMO...I know you...like me...have watched the formats come and go...I mourned the passing of Beta...so this won't be nearly as bad..
 
- A specialty company that repairs/modifies legacy universal players to keep them operating...let's say for another decade or so. (Anyone have any leads?)

The sad issue here is that the chips are obsoleted on a regular basis, if there are newer versions, they either aren't pin compatible or have different supply voltages, so require extensive modifications. The availability of chips for home goods is at most 5 years often much less, there is an almost insatiable desire to reduce the cost year on year of equipment. Basically this years model is a cost reduced version of last years. There are companies who specialise in stocking obsolete chips, but as the years go by the cost of them tends to go up. So its down to someone getting a good stock of suitable parts. Its why getting old transistor based equipment repaired is easier, suitable devices are available quite readily. I am thinking of buying a 2nd Oppo 203 to keep as a spare!
 
These Oppos will still be relevant for at least a decade...IMO...I know you...like me...have watched the formats come and go...I mourned the passing of Beta...so this won't be nearly as bad..

Still mourning the passing of BETA? I had VHS, Beta, 8mm video, laserdisc, DVD, Blu ray and now UHD4K and what I miss LEAST OF ALL is video tape. I'm more concerned about the demise of OPPO and as far as I'm concerned, doubtful ANY manufacturer will step up and replace it. I have a SONY X800 which as far as video goes is fantastic [including 3D and 4K] but it's NOT an OPPO. For the $300 list price point, it will certainly play ALL formats but it's hardly competition for the OPPO 203/205.....in terms of SQ [but don't get me wrong....not too shabby, either].

As Clinty points out.....even downloading with back up has its issues and we all know that even physical discs are NOT archival as how many have experienced laser rot and refuse to play in multiple players? My advice: Keep buying those discs as long as you possibly can and I'm even beginning to back up those discs......just in case.

And for Clint: RIP Beta:ROFLMAO:...you 'maxed' out way too soon!
 
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