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    5.1 icon King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Please post your thoughts and comments on the 5.1 Surround DVD-Audio of this album. If you feel so inclined, let us know when and where you got it from. Also, list what version you ordered/received, and your evaluation of the extras in the deluxe set if that's what you got.

    Please do not vote in the poll until you've listened to the disc a few times.

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Hmmm....it appears the release date for this has been delayed!?!?!?!?!?

    Or is Amazon just screwing with me.

    I've canceled the Amazon order and went with burning shed. Something is up. Red wouldn't even ship until the end of the month while burning shed is already shipping them.

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    Thanks!

    Now I get what I really need
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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    5.1 surround at 48KHz?

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    Like what i see now where is that box set with scans ?
    Cheers Fletch

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Quote Originally Posted by winopener View Post
    5.1 surround at 48KHz?
    Oops! Should be 48 kHz...

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Is there a technical reason why the 5.1 can't be at 96khz like the stereo? I'm sure this has been answered here before....

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Burning Shed sent email of the DVD-A ITCOTCK delivery minutes ago. Will be expecting early next week. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick1 View Post
    Burning Shed sent email of the DVD-A ITCOTCK delivery minutes ago. Will be expecting early next week. Thanks.
    Curses why did i order the BIG box !!! a couple more weeks to wait on that !!!
    Cheers Fletch

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Quote Originally Posted by Almen View Post
    Oops! Should be 48 kHz...
    Okay, Okay, Okay.
    We will get the typo fixed on the rest of the series.
    Promise.
    Oh well, whatever - nevermind.

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Quote Originally Posted by dr. simple View Post
    2. I've heard "Lizard", and I don't and probably never will understand it. I ordered Red & ITCOTCK, but not Lizard.
    The new versions are a revelation, they really are.
    Oh well, whatever - nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil wilkes View Post
    The new versions are a revelation, they really are.
    I'll admit, Neil, there are definitely a lot of discs in my collection that I wouldn't have given a second listen to if it weren't for the beauty of surround (Flaming Lips, for example), but I'll be surprised if I change my mind on "Lizard".

    I'll wait to hear "Lizard" at Dennis Mabry's house!
    "You gotta always remember, the name of the game is 'What does it sound like?' That's always the end result - I don't care if you got 90 tracks. What does it sound like, baby?" - Ray Charles

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Quote Originally Posted by neil wilkes View Post
    The new versions are a revelation, they really are.
    I'm in dr. simple's position; never liked Lizard in the 70s. But I will buy it now, for the first time.

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Is there a technical reason why the 5.1 can't be at 96khz like the stereo? I'm sure this has been answered here before....
    Is there a technical reason why the 5.1 can't be at 96khz like the stereo? I'm sure this has been answered here before....

    I assUme the original masters have limitations that would make the difference indiscernable.

    Then again, even my dog can't tell the difference between 48 KHz (aka kHz, aka KHZ, aka khz, aka STFU!) and 96. My OPPO allows me to kick down to 48 with 96 encoded material, and I do find that the higher sampling rate does tend to add a bit of that elusive "pResence" (or is it pRescience?) factor. Then again, that could all be on the OPPO and it's conversion algos ... so forget I mentioned it.

    What was I saying??

    pS ... I imagine anyone who has problems with Red would be REALLY out of synch with Under Heavy Manners

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    THIS THREAD HAS BEEN EDITIED FOR YOUR READING ENJOYMENT.

    Once the discs start showing up in people's mailboxes, I'll add the poll and delete this post.

    You guys will be VERY happy when you hear this disc. Neil & Co. did a terrific job on the surround mix. It's crystal clear, very discrete, very non-gimmicky and totally PERFECT, IMHO. I hope you all will feel the same.
    :-jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by sKiZo View Post
    Is there a technical reason why the 5.1 can't be at 96khz like the stereo? I'm sure this has been answered here before....

    I assUme the original masters have limitations that would make the difference indiscernable.

    Then again, even my dog can't tell the difference between 48 KHz (aka kHz, aka KHZ, aka khz, aka STFU!) and 96. My OPPO allows me to kick down to 48 with 96 encoded material, and I do find that the higher sampling rate does tend to add a bit of that elusive "pResence" (or is it pRescience?) factor. Then again, that could all be on the OPPO and it's conversion algos ... so forget I mentioned it.

    What was I saying??

    pS ... I imagine anyone who has problems with Red would be REALLY out of synch with Under Heavy Manners
    I'm no expert, Neil will undoubtedly be the one to correctly answer this, but I strongly suspect it's related to disc space.
    5.1 at 24/96, plus 2.0 at 24/96 along with video content maybe doesn't fit?

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    It's actually an interesting business decision in that one would think having a separate CD release available would have made for a larger potential market. Frankly, I don't know too many people who have a DVD player on a conventional sound system, and if you're planning to play it on the home theater, well then ... DVD audio is the only choice, right?

    <edit>
    Ah. I see there IS a two cd set available. Never mind ...
    </edit>


    Then again, not sure if dropping the CD version from the set would free up enough space either.Are the bonus cuts included in stereo def? Guess I'll find out soon enough.

    Thanx to QQ for the reminder that the New! Improved !! KC is now available. I'd flat out spaced it. Just ordered mine today - and yes, I included Red on my list, dagnabit (dagnabyte?) - and I WILL post a review shortly.

    I mean, after all, that's what this thread is for, right? Not to discuss some typo.

    Or tYpo.

    Or TYpo, for that matter ...

    If SW, Neil & company are taking orders, I can't wait for the re-release of Spooky Tooth. Maybe some Marillion even.
    Last edited by sKiZo; 10-10-2009 at 04:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rang View Post
    I'm no expert, Neil will undoubtedly be the one to correctly answer this, but I strongly suspect it's related to disc space.
    5.1 at 24/96, plus 2.0 at 24/96 along with video content maybe doesn't fit?
    With 4 different streams I'm guessing space was the limiting factor.
    There are at least 2 sides to the 48 vs 96 debate.
    For me, I don't care about CD on these and would've have preferred the videos on a separate disc and gone with 96k sampling but I'm sure cost was the factor.

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Just to confuse the issue ... or maybe unconfuse it? I've seen a few QQ mentions of video content ... I may have been guilty of it myself.

    From BurningShed.Com

    40th Anniversary reissues of one of the most important albums in rock history, featuring a new stereo mix (courtesy of Steven Wilson and Robert Fripp), bonus tracks, comprehensive sleevenotes, and copious extras (the cd/dvda and box set editions also include a 5.1 mix by Steven Wilson).


    I see no mention of DVD Video in the list. Probably an oversight, as I would think that's what bulks the box set out to five disks. I'd have to go back and re-read the thread to see if that's been covered, but wait ... half of it disappeared recently ...

    I went with the CD/DVD-A version. Can't wait to get mine in the mail and see what I bought ... <G>

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    Oh well, whatever - nevermind.

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    one question, Burning Shed still shows as
    "24/48 High Resolution Stereo mixes of full CD audio content (playable in all DVD players/DVD-Rom drives etc.) "
    in their description of ITCOKC.

    I think "DVD-Rom" means it should be *.WAV files included in the disk.
    I tried to find out PCM files in Red DVD disk, but not exists any pc files except video files.
    what does it mean "DVD-Rom drives" ?

    Hajime

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    "DVD players" = standalone players
    "DVD-Rom drives" = pc/mac software-based players.

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    Amazon has re-re-redelayed the shipping on this. Again.

    It's like they have this magical ability to figure out what I REALLY want, and screw with it.

    Color me decidedly unamused.

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    Default Re: KING CRIMSON: In the Court of the Crimson King [DVD-Audio]

    woo hoo, got mine today.

    it is terrific, my other copy is the 1999 30th aniversary cd, not the 2004 remaster, and it simply blows that away

    I listened to the 5.1 mix first and immediately noticed the vocals to be much cleaner than the previous mix, in fact the whole soundstage was smooth clean and clear, dynamics are good. The mix is nice, not too aggresive but very good for an 8 track 40 year old master. I next compared the 2004 release to the 1999 cd that I have, it is cleaner but nowhere near as good as the 2009 remix.

    I cannot give sufficient praise to all involved, it is a wonderful showcase for King Crimson's first album well done all.

    Sorry if this seems a little stilted and without much content, but I am still in shock my fingers can barely type !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm2010 View Post
    woo hoo, got mine today.

    it is terrific, my other copy is the 1999 30th aniversary cd, not the 2004 remaster, and it simply blows that away

    I listened to the 5.1 mix first and immediately noticed the vocals to be much cleaner than the previous mix, in fact the whole soundstage was smooth clean and clear, dynamics are good. The mix is nice, not too aggresive but very good for an 8 track 40 year old master. I next compared the 2004 release to the 1999 cd that I have, it is cleaner but nowhere near as good as the 2009 remix.

    I cannot give sufficient praise to all involved, it is a wonderful showcase for King Crimson's first album well done all.

    Sorry if this seems a little stilted and without much content, but I am still in shock my fingers can barely type !

    Malcolm

    Wow! Malcom, you actually got it? Isn't it great? I assume you got the CD/DVD-A set. I was under the impression that it would not be out for another week or so. Neil?
    :-jon

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