Requesting Updates for the Quad Radio Broadcast Discography

[Mark Anderson]

The radio discography can be found here http://www.surrounddiscography.com/q...c/quadradi.htm

[bmoura]

The radio discography can be found here http://www.surrounddiscography.com/q...c/quadradi.htm

Actually the 1969 Discrete Quad FM Broadcasts were done with K-101 (KIOI) and several partner stations including one in the Sacramento area that also had the 101 position on the FM dial.
It involved Lou Dorren and his "Quadracast" FM technology. Also, K-101 broadcast the Front Channels as I recall - not the rear channels.

During those "experimental" 4 Channel Discrete Quad demo broadcasts, K-101 owner Jim Gabbert had some really cool Surround Sound source material including a 4 Channel mix of the "Paint Your Wagon" Soundtrack, Sound Effects and
Mystic Moods albums produced and mixed by Quad pioneer Brad Miller and several more only for the demo Surround tapes.

Some great listening..... !

[quadtrade]

I have in my hand a reel to reel of K101 and KBFG san francisco. This was done on July 24 1976. This show was 1.5 hours of a variety of songs including Doobies, Jeff Air, Creedence, Guess Who, Open Road by Donovan (Rare) and the Paint your Wagon opening. It includes the chatter but not the commercials. If there is a demand, i will send it to Bob and get it out. It is interesting to hear. I am gonna get Bob another drive full to convert, i can send this.

[bmoura]

I have in my hand a reel to reel of K101 and KBFG san francisco. This was done on July 24 1976. This show was 1.5 hours of a variety of songs including Doobies, Jeff Air, Creedence, Guess Who, Open Road by Donovan (Rare) and the Paint your Wagon opening. It includes the chatter but not the commercials. If there is a demand, i will send it to Bob and get it out. It is interesting to hear. I am gonna get Bob another drive full to convert, i can send this.

That would be great. Brings back some early Quad memories here.

Who was Jeff Air? I remember the other material - as I recall some of it (Doobies, Guess Who) was from the record labels doing CD-4 Quad since they were also advocating for the use of the Dorren Quadracast Discrete 4 Channel System for FM. The Paint Your Wagon opening and "They Call The Wind Mariah" surround mixes were very impressive as I recall.

[quadsearcher]

I'm guessing Jefferson Airplane. One of my favorites.

[leevitalone1]

I'm guessing Jefferson Airplane. One of my favorites.

http://www.eagle-rock.com/product/EV...erson+Airplane

[bmoura]

I'm guessing Jefferson Airplane. One of my favorites.

OK, that sounds right on several scores. That would have been part of the RCA cache of Quad material that K-101 had access to at the time.

[quadaholic]

Just stumbled across this thread and had a couple of things to add, and I apologize for any redundant info. Also, am enclosing a couple of questions regarding some quad shows I need some help with, so hope you don't mind.
1) Genesis Knebworth 1978 BBC Rock Hour- Matrix H or HJ. If stars align a decoded version of that should surface within the next year or so.
2) Steely Dan Record Plant is definitely QS. Did anyone ever post a decode of this?
3) ELP Ontario Motor Speedway (CalJam) Quad is questionable. Was able to track down one of the broadcast mix engineers last year who said no quad mixes were done at the time. Been trying to find a rip of the vinyl bootleg that claims to be QS, but no luck yet. At the same time, I have a bootleg video clip of the show that says "broadcast in quad on KLOS", so apparently that is wrong.
4) Genesis Shrine '75 show. Although supposedly SQ, sounds pretty bland decoded. Actually sounds pretty good in QS, but have not been able to find any definitive documentation on the matrix used. King Biscuit was always SQ, however the show was recorded and mixed by Genesis engineer John Burns with the Heider mobile and not the biscuit people, so this show might possibly be a "loaner." Also, compared to other King Biscuit shows, this one is incredibly rare, and outside of the Vault, I only know of one pre-fm source.
5) WXRT Chicago apparently made a bunch of SQ broadcasts in the late 70's. The most famous of these is the Genesis Uptown theater show from 1978, and also a show by the Cars. Been trying to find any kind of listings, and there is virtually no info to be found out on the web. Heard that the tapes might actually be getting digitized, but rebroadcasts are incredibly rare if not nonexistent because of the usual licensing issues.
6) Elton John 2 part SQ King Biscuit May and June of 75. If anyone knows any info about this one, would love to hear it. Haven't been able to find any tracks or info from this show. Also, Elton didn't do shows in 75 until after these broadcasts were made, which makes the broadcasts even more of a question mark.
7) Was told not too long ago that the BSO quad broadcasts that used two radio stations had one station carry the left channels and the other station carry the right channels, as they couldn't agree on who would get the fronts and the backs.

[Bob Romano]

Just stumbled across this thread and had a couple of things to add, and I apologize for any redundant info. Also, am enclosing a couple of questions regarding some quad shows I need some help with, so hope you don't mind.
5) WXRT Chicago apparently made a bunch of SQ broadcasts in the late 70's. The most famous of these is the Genesis Uptown theater show from 1978, and also a show by the Cars. Been trying to find any kind of listings, and there is virtually no info to be found out on the web. Heard that the tapes might actually be getting digitized, but rebroadcasts are incredibly rare if not nonexistent because of the usual licensing issues.
6) Elton John 2 part SQ King Biscuit May and June of 75. If anyone knows any info about this one, would love to hear it. Haven't been able to find any tracks or info from this show. Also, Elton didn't do shows in 75 until after these broadcasts were made, which makes the broadcasts even more of a question mark.
7) Was told not too long ago that the BSO quad broadcasts that used two radio stations had one station carry the left channels and the other station carry the right channels, as they couldn't agree on who would get the fronts and the backs.

The Cars exists in true discrete (not SQ) quad. I did the Steely Dan twice - the latest uses the QS final script. Lots of KBFH (Not SQ but also true quad) in the pipeline. And a special BOC from WLUP in Chicago from '79 coming soon.

[bmoura]

The Cars exists in true discrete (not SQ) quad. I did the Steely Dan twice - the latest uses the QS final script. Lots of KBFH (Not SQ but also true quad) in the pipeline. And a special BOC from WLUP in Chicago from '79 coming soon.

Always interested in the SQ and QS Final stuff. But true discrete quad - that's always best !

[Neb-Maat-Re]

1) Genesis Knebworth 1978 BBC Rock Hour- Matrix H or HJ. If stars align a decoded version of that should surface within the next year or so.

The British library hold this on two CDs archived from the master tape.

[Mark Anderson]

The British library hold this on two CDs archived from the master tape.

This show is currently up on yeeshkul from the pre-FM reel. Dont know if it is H or HJ encoded.

[Neb-Maat-Re]

That would be nice if it turned out to be the quad broadcast and not the stereo one.

[quadaholic]

Dear Neb,
In regards to your question about stereo mix versus quad mix, here is what I THINK is the case. I feel reasonably confident that all versions circulating are in fact the quad mix (the only mix that exists I am guessing). The problem is that the H encoding is very fragile and falls apart quickly with any kind of added eq or processing. The original mix is pretty dark sounding, possibly because the multiple phase angles are cancelling out some treble. As a result, anyone with ears wants to brighten up the mix, which is where things fall apart. The best sounding version circulating is a version that is supposedly sourced from bbc rock hour reels, and the encoding is present but unusable.
However, am confident that usable (enough) versions of all the tracks from the broadcast can be cobbled together from various other sources (thanks to some of the folks at the Genesis movement for their patience with my emails.). I started to work on decoding the show last year, but then my family and I had to move, then my computer died and I lost a lot of decoding settings I had been working on with Audition. Thankfully I saved my notes, but at present real world responsibilities are keeping me away from putting in the time. Being a responsible adult just sucks sometimes.
For the record, the person that probably has the most in depth knowledge of everything H, HJ, and UHJ is OD, who has been extremely helpful in discussing the technical aspects of this with me. Decoding H is tricky, and sound quality tends to fall apart quickly when you start to "dig deep" into the extracting process. Also, want to mention that the various "short cut" methods I've seen mentioned don't really work, at least not with the Knebworth tracks.
In any case, be patient, am sure that someone will sort this one out in the next year if not sooner. Whomever ends up doing it, I look forward to hearing the results as well.

[rustyandi]

We had a ABC station here that played
QS SQ records and some BBC transcriptions
Does that count as Quad broadcasts?

[Neb-Maat-Re]

Dear Neb,
In regards to your question about stereo mix versus quad mix, here is what I THINK is the case.

Thanks - I appreciate the background.

[quadaholic]

One disappointing update on Genesis Knebworth 78. Checked the one complete uncorrupted version of the show I have today, and unfortunately it is so riddled with digital dropouts and glitches that it is probably unusable. The one critical song, the encore of "I Know what I like" is unusable, which means that now there is not a clean version of that song circulating that I know of. It is supposedly contained on a BBC transcription lp, and maybe one of those will turn up, or like a previous poster mentioned, we can keep tabs on the BBC for a rebroadcast. Despite this, got Audition up and running for the first time in about a year, so maybe it's time to suck it up and get a version out there, despite the missing track or tracks...

[Mark Anderson]

We had a ABC station here that played
QS SQ records and some BBC transcriptions
Does that count as Quad broadcasts?

Hi Ron,

I never thought about playing an encoded recording over a stereo broadcast other than shows like king biscuit flower hour or other live broadcasts but anything in quad is worth mentioning. I listed the KBFH and other live encoded shows to aid in tracking them down for collectors of quad. I imagine unless it is a unique performance that most folks would not be interested in tracking down a recording that they could find on vinyl, etc. but any info on stations that broadcasted in quad is good historical information that should be documented.

[Neb-Maat-Re]

We had a ABC station here that played
QS SQ records and some BBC transcriptions
Does that count as Quad broadcasts?

While searching for some information about Ron's post, I found this:

In 1986 poet Chris Mann created a four channel work entitled Quadraphonic Cocktail, which was broadcast simultaneously on both ABC’s Metropolitan, National and Fine Music networks on Australia Day, January 26th 1986. Mann invited the audience to “mix your own audio adventure” using multiple radio receivers.

http://www.academia.edu/358593/Radio...ast_or_Outcast

Not sure how many people would have 4 radio receivers in close proximity (or possibly 3 - "Fine Music" is the old name for Classic FM which is stereo, but ABC National and ABC Local (= Metropolitan) are mono FM.

[Neb-Maat-Re]

I may be wrong, but these appear to be ones that are not currently in the discography:

http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/230711237843

Be Bop Deluxe Stereo Pop Special CN 2670/SQ 1976 [Note: Have just found there is a DVD-A conversion of this "out there" taken from the quad reel]

http://www.popsike.com/GALLAGHER-AND...758765208.html

Gallagher & Lyle Stereo Pop Special CN 2787/SQ 1977

And another one:

http://www.popsike.com/JOHN-DANKWORT...529125106.html

Wavendon '76 (John Dankworth & Cleo Laine) CN 2666/SQ

Also found these which may be BBC issues of similar concerts also listed under KBFH:

http://www.popsike.com/NAZARETH-BBC-...025909467.html

Nazareth Stereo Pop Special CN 2459/SQ

http://eil.com/products/Rick+Wakeman...ad+229967.html

Rick Wakeman CN 2559/SQ

[Mark Anderson]

Thanks so much for the update. Great to see some additional discs show up. These will be great additions to the discography.

[Neb-Maat-Re]

No problems - I just wish I could find a copy of the one I actually want (which is already on the discography).

Here's another in the "BBC issue similar to a KBFH release" category:

http://eil.com/products/Robin+Trower...ad+143439.html

Robin Trower 1975 CN 2221/SQ

[Bob Romano]

No problems - I just wish I could find a copy of the one I actually want (which is already on the discography).

Here's another in the "BBC issue similar to a KBFH release" category:

http://eil.com/products/Robin+Trower...ad+143439.html

Robin Trower 1975 CN 2221/SQ

I am currently listeing to this one to make sure there are no skips... then I will make it available

[Neb-Maat-Re]

then I will make it available

Bless your cotton socks!

[Mark Anderson]

I am currently listening to this one to make sure there are no skips... then I will make it available

Thanks so much for your efforts. I have enjoyed your transfers and appreciate the preservation of these recordings. As a major Trower fan "I can't wait much longer" for your release. I will keep my eyes open