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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Here is the screen shot from extracting it:

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Quote Originally Posted by neil wilkes View Post
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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Quote Originally Posted by LizardKing View Post
    Here is the screen shot from extracting it:
    I was extracting the raw DTS streams and then converting them to WAV files with AudioMuxer or foobar2000. Going that route, I was getting 24 bit files. After seeing your snapshot, I captured a disk image and confirmed what you are seeing.

    I suppose the conversion to WAV takes it up to 24 bit by default so it doesn't have to scan the entire stream looking for the largest sample. And I suppose this is because DTS doesn't really use a fixed bit depth. I read somewhere that you can't trust the info in the DTS header; as it can be edited to say whatever you want. But I really don't know how to figure out the bit depth of a DTS stream and it probably really is just 16 bit.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Quote Originally Posted by kap'n krunch View Post
    (From Wiki)
    "E. F. Hutton & Co. was an American stock brokerage firm founded in 1904 ... So , being the concentric people North Americans are, we believe that the rest of the world should be aware of this slogan.

    It was VERY big in the 80's and the early 90's.

    And so, the baton is passed on to you...
    I didn't think many would get it agewise or geographically, but it's sure interesting to see who does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sukothai View Post
    I was extracting the raw DTS streams and then converting them to WAV files with AudioMuxer or foobar2000. Going that route, I was getting 24 bit files. After seeing your snapshot, I captured a disk image and confirmed what you are seeing.

    I suppose the conversion to WAV takes it up to 24 bit by default so it doesn't have to scan the entire stream looking for the largest sample. And I suppose this is because DTS doesn't really use a fixed bit depth. I read somewhere that you can't trust the info in the DTS header; as it can be edited to say whatever you want. But I really don't know how to figure out the bit depth of a DTS stream and it probably really is just 16 bit.
    Interesting. I'll take a stab at it with eac3to like I would for a DTS 96/24 track.

    If you use DVD Decrypter in IFO mode and set it to split each chapter into its own vob file, then convert those vobs to flac using eac3to, eac3to will tell you the actual file parameters. If it's not 24 bit, it'll kick back a message saying something like "DTS header says 24 bit, but the audio does not exceed 16 bit. Encoding at 16 bit." Either way, it'll tell what kind of data lives on the stream.

    I learned that trick from Neil a while back. I believe it was the only way to reliably extract DTS 96/24 a couple of years ago. It may still be.
    Last edited by Analogueghost; 01-05-2012 at 12:44 AM. Reason: edited for clarity

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    I just bought this box set for just under $90 on eBay! Can't wait to finally listen to this Grammy-nominated mix!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analogueghost View Post
    Interesting. I'll take a stab at it with eac3to like I would for a DTS 96/24 track.

    If you use DVD Decrypter in IFO mode and set it to split each chapter into its own vob file, then convert those vobs to flac using eac3to, eac3to will tell you the actual file parameters. If it's not 24 bit, it'll kick back a message saying something like "DTS header says 24 bit, but the audio does not exceed 16 bit. Encoding at 16 bit." Either way, it'll tell what kind of data lives on the stream.

    I learned that trick from Neil a while back. I believe it was the only way to reliably extract DTS 96/24 a couple of years ago. It may still be.
    FYI - "Extract Audio from DVD" seems to work for DTS from a DVD (Decrypted using using DVD Decrypter) via Audiomuxer - for a 96/24 track (Depeche Mode violator in this case):
    Capturedts.JPG

    Audiomuxer is the easiest way I've done it for 96/24 DTS. Of course there are other tools out there that you can buy that you don't need to use DVD Decrypter first though.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    I am so glad this online factor functions as well as your post definitely helped me. Might take you up on that home advice you.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Quote Originally Posted by LizardKing View Post
    FYI - "Extract Audio from DVD" seems to work for DTS from a DVD (Decrypted using using DVD Decrypter) via Audiomuxer - for a 96/24 track (Depeche Mode violator in this case):
    Capturedts.JPG

    Audiomuxer is the easiest way I've done it for 96/24 DTS. Of course there are other tools out there that you can buy that you don't need to use DVD Decrypter first though.
    You can pull the DTS 9624 out of the multiplex directly from DVDDecrypter by using Stream Processing too - I decode with the DTS-HD StreamPlayer.
    Oh well, whatever - nevermind.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    http://www.grammy.com/nominees?year=2011&genre=54

    Layla's won the Grammy for Best Surround Sound album! Unfortunately it beat Steven Wilson, but maybe now there will be a more widely circulated release of this 5.1 mix on either SACD, Blu-Ray audio or DVD-Audio disc.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Isnt it strange that a mix canned by the record company originally for not sounding 'modern enough' can win a surround grammy while new music releases in 5.1 dont ?
    Cheers Fletch

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Quote Originally Posted by sukothai View Post
    I was extracting the raw DTS streams and then converting them to WAV files with AudioMuxer or foobar2000. Going that route, I was getting 24 bit files. After seeing your snapshot, I captured a disk image and confirmed what you are seeing.

    I suppose the conversion to WAV takes it up to 24 bit by default so it doesn't have to scan the entire stream looking for the largest sample. And I suppose this is because DTS doesn't really use a fixed bit depth. I read somewhere that you can't trust the info in the DTS header; as it can be edited to say whatever you want. But I really don't know how to figure out the bit depth of a DTS stream and it probably really is just 16 bit.
    The header says 16-bits probably because of DVD-V spec requirements in exactly the same way a DTS-CD multiplex says it is a 16/44.1 stereo WAV file when it isn't.
    Pulling the DTS stream right out of the Multiplex with DVDDecrypter & decoding to WAV with the DTS-HD StreamPlayer gave me 24/48 Mono WAV files.
    So it looks like AudioMuxer has a slight problem with 24-bit core audio files, maybe? Either that or the DTS-HD StreamPlayer is padding with extra bits.
    I have no idea which one os right & which one is not - sound engineer, and not a programmer here

    Maybe Elliot mixed this in 48kHz, as I cannot think of any reason whatsoever not to use DTS 9624 here.
    This should also be available as a standalone lossless release - DTS is a fine format, but still lossy at the end of the day.
    Oh well, whatever - nevermind.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    If memory serves DTS-HD MAS accepts only 16 bit for standard DVD DTS encoding. However, I might be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtbluray View Post
    It would be nice if they would offer it as a limited "Grammy Award Winning" edition, either in Blu-Ray audio, SACD or DVD-A. Even if it were at the same price as the WYWH SACD, it would be a much better deal than having to buy a $125 box set.
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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    This is currently available in Australia on Fishpond for A$104 with free shipping so I ordered a copy last night. Good news for me as I thought I'd never actually ge a copy

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    Quote Originally Posted by grill View Post
    If memory serves DTS-HD MAS accepts only 16 bit for standard DVD DTS encoding. However, I might be wrong.
    My copy happily takes 24/48 with no issues at all. If yours will not, it is a bug.
    Any genuine DTS encoder should, as should the Dolby Digital ones - with the notable (and to me, shocking) exception of the transcoder in Sonic Scenarist SD.
    Oh well, whatever - nevermind.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    I'd love to venture an opinion but I cannot find it anywhere! I must be asking google the wrong question. I even did the upc code. Anybody got a link?
    Anybody from central CT?
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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Gotta look a little closer - the link to Best Buy was posted above - here's the link to the details http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Layla+%2...ayla&lp=6&cp=1

    It is not available as just the DVD - you have to buy the whole shebang boxset to get it - around $125.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmer View Post
    Gotta look a little closer - the link to Best Buy was posted above - here's the link to the details http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Layla+%2...ayla&lp=6&cp=1

    It is not available as just the DVD - you have to buy the whole shebang boxset to get it - around $125.00
    Barnes & Noble's cheaper:
    http://music.barnesandnoble.com/Layl...326?x=16122402

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtbluray View Post
    Still about $80 more than I'm willing to spend.

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Just my box set in from Barnes & Noble!
    All the contents of the box set were in great condition, and the 5.1 mix is amazing! Definitely much better than the SACD mix.
    Worth every penny I spent!

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    Well, at least they made more box sets. Too bad they won't sell the disc on it's own.
    :-jon

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    An "8". It does most things better than the SACD but it's still not perfect. The limitations of the original recording may be what's getting in the way of me rating it more highly!? Although some of the mixing decisions of the SACD team work better than ES'. I dunno.. Either way it was an inspired move by whoever at Universal to put this out.. just maybe not in that bloody great box full of "other assorted lovely junk"..!!

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    Default Re: POLL: Derek & The Dominos - Layla & Other Assorted Love Songs (Ellioitt Scheiner5

    9.
    Glad it got a REAL 5.1 mix by ES.
    1 point off for beeng lossy and not being available separately.
    Another case of tape deterioration being clearly evident...
    Still, a gem...
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