Of course, any mix that duplicates bass in the subwoofer channel will have 'more bass' .... but the 4.0 is hardly lacking in that department. A properly bass-managed surround setup redirects the 4.0 bass to the sub.
HiRez Poll Pink Floyd - DARK SIDE OF THE MOON [Blu-Ray Audio]
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Of course, any mix that duplicates bass in the subwoofer channel will have 'more bass' .... but the 4.0 is hardly lacking in that department. A properly bass-managed surround setup redirects the 4.0 bass to the sub.
leevitalone1
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The dvd a is not a boot it's a conversion. very legal and acceptable around here.
leevitalone1
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Oh ya the 4.0 is great. Plenty of low end.
Not sure what distinction you're trying to make. The 4.1 is not an official disc... There has been a bit of confusion about it in at least one thread...
I'm sure you are mistaken, the DVD-A is most definitely a bootleg.
I think the confusion is because whatever source they used, it was of far superior quality to anything that was publicly available - implicit was that it had been made from a first or generation master tape or safety copy. Thus it's a bootleg (snuck out of the studio) instead of a conversion (transfer from a consumer release like a quad LP or reel).
Either way, it's not a legal release in most of the world.
JediJoker
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And neither is a "transfer," but for long OOP titles, the IP owners aren't likely to care. Unless, that is, they're rereleased.
It's not a legal release anywhere in the world.
Actually, I don't think North Korea has signed any international copyright treaties
A bit cheeky. It isn't legal in any place a QQ member is likely to be.
leevitalone1
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But the BD is and it has every version, I was referring to that disc
Yo! This thread is for the discussion of the IMMERSIONS Blu-Ray disc.
You all can discuss the DVD-A 'till the cows come home in a dedicated thread if you like. Remember that the DVD-A was born at a time when it appeared that the AP mix would never see a commercial release which is how it came to be. If you search through the bowels of QQ you can learn a lot about it's appearance and origin. Safe to say it was never a valid commercial release, but was something that was traded among "collectors".
No one should have every paid money to get a copy as it is assumed that it was never meant to generate any revenue for anyone.
You all can discuss the DVD-A 'till the cows come home in a dedicated thread if you like. Remember that the DVD-A was born at a time when it appeared that the AP mix would never see a commercial release which is how it came to be. If you search through the bowels of QQ you can learn a lot about it's appearance and origin. Safe to say it was never a valid commercial release, but was something that was traded among "collectors".
No one should have every paid money to get a copy as it is assumed that it was never meant to generate any revenue for anyone.
uffeolby
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My "bass management" is that I have my REL subwoofer connected to my amplifier with both low level (LFE) and high level (directly from the Front Left and Right channels) connections. This means that all the bass that is present in the recording actually reaches my subwoofer, independant from which channel it is coming from.
Having said that, I would still argue that the 4.0 mix is very bass shy compared to the 5.1 mix. I would say too base shy for the "rockers" like Time and Money.
Which is how it's supposed to work, yes.
Of course it's 'bass shy' *compared to a mix where the same bass had been doubled*. That will be true of any recording you could name.
Do you get what 'doubling' means? The bass that would normally be directed to the subwoofer from the other channels in bass-managed playback of 4.0 mix, has been literally encoded into the LFE content....without being lowered in the other channels. So if you bass manage the other channels of the 4.1 mix, the bass is output 'twice as much' from the subwoofer. And if you don't bass manage the 4.1 mix, you are outputting the same bass from the 'small' channels and the subwoofer.
jimfisheye
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If someone made a copy of DSOTM with the bass content from the mains DUPLICATED and ADDED to the Lfe content in that channel, that would be non-standard.
Speaker management/bass management means redirecting content from the various 5.1 channels into a different speaker array.
The most common example is getting a small speaker array where the mains do not reproduce bass content. In this example, the bass content from the 5 mains (not just the front pair) is removed from the 5 mains and added to the Lfe channel (along with the Lfe content from the 5.1 source).
The next common example is using a quad array. Here you add the center channel content and any Lfe content panned to the center of the front pair.
A 5.0 array would need the Lfe content added to the front pair.
And so on.
If you are duplicating any content between channels, you are greatly altering the recording and way out in left field compared to how the mix was intended to sound. Likewise if you omit content.
An example of omitting content would be the guy who hears some misconception that speaker management is a "bad thing". And then stubbornly doesn't use it with a non 1:1 speaker array that needs it. (Like the common small top speaker array that needs all the bass content redirected to the Lfe. In this example you would be missing all the bass content from the mains. I've even heard such people try to argue that a 5.1 recording only contains bass in the Lfe just because this smaller efficient speaker array is the only 5.1 system they've ever seen before.)
5.1 is 5 FULL range channels with an ADDITIONAL bass only channel for bass headroom.
If anyone doesn't agree that it should be used this way, that's fine. Just realize that it's the format regardless and any 5.1 music you buy will have the channels used this way. If you have other than 5 full range speakers and an additional sub, it's up to you to speaker manage your system.
Speaker management/bass management means redirecting content from the various 5.1 channels into a different speaker array.
The most common example is getting a small speaker array where the mains do not reproduce bass content. In this example, the bass content from the 5 mains (not just the front pair) is removed from the 5 mains and added to the Lfe channel (along with the Lfe content from the 5.1 source).
The next common example is using a quad array. Here you add the center channel content and any Lfe content panned to the center of the front pair.
A 5.0 array would need the Lfe content added to the front pair.
And so on.
If you are duplicating any content between channels, you are greatly altering the recording and way out in left field compared to how the mix was intended to sound. Likewise if you omit content.
An example of omitting content would be the guy who hears some misconception that speaker management is a "bad thing". And then stubbornly doesn't use it with a non 1:1 speaker array that needs it. (Like the common small top speaker array that needs all the bass content redirected to the Lfe. In this example you would be missing all the bass content from the mains. I've even heard such people try to argue that a 5.1 recording only contains bass in the Lfe just because this smaller efficient speaker array is the only 5.1 system they've ever seen before.)
5.1 is 5 FULL range channels with an ADDITIONAL bass only channel for bass headroom.
If anyone doesn't agree that it should be used this way, that's fine. Just realize that it's the format regardless and any 5.1 music you buy will have the channels used this way. If you have other than 5 full range speakers and an additional sub, it's up to you to speaker manage your system.
kap'n krunch
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
How do I vote for this?
AP's mix is the NUMBER ONE mix of all time- and yet this other guy's mix is a waste of plastic...
a FIVE????
AP's mix is the NUMBER ONE mix of all time- and yet this other guy's mix is a waste of plastic...
a FIVE????
Frogmort
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I never said I was frightened of dying.
All this talk about dark side prompted me to pull out my versions. First listened to Sacd. Always a treat. Now listening to quad from immersion set. I don't have the immersion set but was able to pick up the DVD's cheap cheap from a fella on kijijiji I think. Anyway, I have a question, what is better to listen to the 448 or the 640 bits per second version. Or does it even matter?
JediJoker
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
If your player can handle the higher 640kbps bitrate, go for it. It's (slightly) less lossy.
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