The Doors - 4 New 5.1 SACD re releases from Analouge Productions?

[Bleedink]

I guess the only other thing I might add is that my impression was that the surviving Doors were involved with the production of the DVD-A's. That would sorta make it the definitive version to some extent. I like the work that AP has done--don't get me wrong. It just seems a strange thing.

[bmoura]

I guess the only other thing I might add is that my impression was that the surviving Doors were involved with the production of the DVD-A's. That would sorta make it the definitive version to some extent. I like the work that AP has done--don't get me wrong. It just seems a strange thing.

The announcement from Analogue Productions indicated that Bruce Botnick, engineer/producer for the Doors, would be overseeing this SACD and Vinyl LP reissue series that would be mastered by legendary mastering engineer Doug Sax. Clearly their goal is to appeal to the audiophile community and to have some very high quality releases by bringing Botnick and Sax on for the Doors project.

Very similar to their Sterling Sound remasters of classic albums from the Verve Jazz catalog to SACD and earlier SACD reissue/remastering series involving audiophile mastering engineers Kevin Gray and Steve Hoffman with albums by Creedence Clearwater Revival, Ray Charles and Nat King Cole. Along with Jazz SACD remasters from the Blue Note, Impulse, Fantasy Jazz and OJC labels.

And when you look at what is selling at the company's audiophile store, Acoustic Sounds, the "Top 50" is a mix of SACD reissues, Vinyl LPs and Vinyl 45s. See http://store.acousticsounds.com/inde...get=topsellers for a look.
So I don't think it's surprising at all - if you're in business, you certainly want to put out more products that are selling well at your company. No mystery there at all.

[Bleedink]

Got it. I hadn't realized that the Perception stereo mixes were brand new. I'd assumed they were the original tapes onto DVD-A with surround as a bonus. I was a bit weirded out by the comment earlier about the head turning remaster. Had no idea what that was referring to until now. It seems however that the 40th ann. mixes were done by Bruce Botnick. I'd thought I'd heard that and a google seems to confirm. I just assumed the stereo was unmolested except for the mastering for DVD. Apparently not. I'm not sure if they are doing new 5.1 mixes for this (doubt it...why do it again when you can sell it twice a la DSOTM--or rather sell it 20 times)--but for me at least my interest in the SACDs would only be if they were a new mix or something. To my ears the DVD-As already sound spectacular. Certainly some SACDs sound better. This thing of transferring tape to digital, then putting the digital back on tape to get a high sample rate, then back to digital to do the processing, then back to tape to transfer to DSD...When does such a process result in less fidelity than a straight tape to digital? I bring this up because as we know HDtracks has a habit of releasing music from the early ages of digital recording (the 16 bit days when 50,0000 samples was seen as overkill) in high def--by transferring 16 bit digital to tape then rereleasing it in a high res container. The Stones masters were all tape to PCM to DSD and back to PCM for HDtracks! I can't help but think that some of this back and forth can't be good for the sound. I may be wrong. I'm certainly no audio guru. A little off topic but it does beg the question...It sounds like they are going back to the original tapes for the stereo parts but what about the surround? Are they going to take the PCM from Perception and wrap it in DSD? Seems like a messy thing. FWIW I didn't find any significant difference in the Fagen SACDs as compared to the DVD-A's. While I think that the backward compatibility of SACDs was a very savvy move (that didn't help unfortunately), it's 2012 and that boat has sailed. Time to embrace the equipment most people have. Either DVD or BluRay. My personal choice is BluRay. Plenty of room for PCM low and high res stereo, surround, and quad.

[Quad Linda]

There is one other HUGE reason for releasing Doors on individual MC SACD's: LA Woman was the only one that was available individually. It gives people who want to buy them in dribs and drabs a chance to acquire them. Likewise, anyone who doesn't want them all (perish the thought!) can buy only those that they want.

The wonderful thing about WYWH, Doors, Nat King Cole and Ray Charles MC titles from AP is that there is new product being released in MC. Those and the premium boxes released last year prove that MC is far from dead. That is the best news I've heard in a long time.

[bmoura]

There is one other HUGE reason for releasing Doors on individual MC SACD's: LA Woman was the only one that was available individually. It gives people who want to buy them in dribs and drabs a chance to acquire them. Likewise, anyone who doesn't want them all (perish the thought!) can buy only those that they want.

The wonderful thing about WYWH, Doors, Nat King Cole and Ray Charles MC titles from AP is that there is new product being released in MC. Those and the premium boxes released last year prove that MC is far from dead. That is the best news I've heard in a long time.

True. And the quality of the Analogue Productions SACDs is really excellent. If you're a fan of Ray Charles, Nat King Cole or both - you really need to check these SACDs out. Wow.

[Hepcat]

The announcement from Analogue Productions indicated that Bruce Botnick, engineer/producer for the Doors, would be overseeing this SACD and Vinyl LP reissue series that would be mastered by legendary mastering engineer Doug Sax.

That's reason enough to consider buying the new SACDs right there. Bruce Botnick knew how to get the best out of the Doors in the studio so perhaps he also knows how to get the best out of the Doors' old tapes.

[Quad Linda]

As long as it's not his clone, Bruce Robotnick doing the overseeing.

That's reason enough to consider buying the new SACDs right there. Bruce Botnick knew how to get the best out of the Doors in the studio so perhaps he also knows how to get the best out of the Doors' old tapes.

[cupboy]

I'd like to see them add Full Circle and Best Of (in original quad)to their upcoming SACD list (skip the vinyl).

[cupboy]

Now it is all 6. Not just 4.
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/83...et-Hybrid_SACD

[Quad Linda]

Good idea. If they were to do that, they might as well add Other Voices and Absolutely Live, or the complete version, as later released on CD. While we're at it, a 5.1 American Prayer might be fun, too.

Who Do You Love? Indians and Ships w/Sails crowd my fragile, eggshell mind.

I'd like to see them add Full Circle and Best Of (in original quad)to their upcoming SACD list (skip the vinyl).

[bmoura]

Now it is all 6. Not just 4.
http://store.acousticsounds.com/d/83...et-Hybrid_SACD

All 6 albums on SACD disc - but only 4 in SACD Multichannel Surround Sound.

[Quad Linda]

I'm confused, and I'm not even blonde! Acoustic Sounds lists Morrison Hotel & Soft Parade as stereo SACD, yet they list all 6 as MC within the box set. That seems truly odd. Are the two really stereo, or is that a misprint? Time will tell?

All 6 albums on SACD disc - but only 4 in SACD Multichannel Surround Sound.

[bmoura]

I'm confused, and I'm not even blonde! Acoustic Sounds lists Morrison Hotel & Soft Parade as stereo SACD, yet they list all 6 as MC within the box set. That seems truly odd. Are the two really stereo, or is that a misprint? Time will tell?

I think it's a typo. The original announcement talked about 4 MC SACDs and 2 Stereo SACDs. I doubt the box set will have different SACDs for the two albums available separately as Stereo SACDs.

[Quad Linda]

I agree with that. The question is which is correct. Probably that two are stereo. I'd be curious to hear the SACD's A/B'ed to the DVD-A's. Since there is video content on the DVD-A's, Ill stick with my Perception w/peep hole.

Either way, there will be forests of azure in 5.1.

I think it's a typo. The original announcement talked about 4 MC SACDs and 2 Stereo SACDs. I doubt the box set will have different SACDs for the two albums available separately as Stereo SACDs.

[Bleedink]

Soft Parade was practically made for surround. Sad. One thing I would love to see added to this collection is An American Prayer. Granted, released after the ole bucket had been kicked, but it's a great collection and would sound great in surround. One of those CDs that was actually mastered really well. Where oh where is it?

[cupboy]

All 6 albums on SACD disc - but only 4 in SACD Multichannel Surround Sound.

Why do you think that? Here's a quote from the Acoustic Sounds website (the manufacturer)...

"All of The Doors' legendary albums — The untoppable self-titled 1967 debut The Doors, one of rock's most important debuts, Strange Days, Waiting For The Sun, The Soft Parade, Morrison Hotel, and the visceral L.A. Woman — have been remastered by Doug Sax and The Doors' original engineer Bruce Botnick, and made available on Multichannel Hybrid SACD for the first time in the U.S.!"

[JonUrban]

It's just is such a shame that we get the same titles, over and over, again and again, when there are so many other projects and titles that never see the light of day, old and new.

[0tto]

just $280 per set and without marbles? 2500 boxes only. that's work out to be $700 000.
AP has pretty humble appetite. they can include marbles in every box and sell it for $400
per set, making at least a million. there are lots of Doors fans who's dreaming to have marbles.

i begin to think perhaps better to quit my present struggle for surviving and start some kind
of audiophile label.

[Quad Linda]

$100 is a lot to pay for the box itself, not including the discs. $30 per disc x 6 = $180 Numbered 6 SACD box set @ $280 = RIPOFF

What does this prove? Audiophiles are the ultimate suckers, or at least Analogue Productions/Acoustic Sounds thinks we are.

I hope they choke on all 2500 numbered copies.

[cupboy]

I would want more info as to why the box is $100 extra. If they threw in the Best Of The Doors in the original quad mix on SACD I'd be willing to pay the extra money.

[0tto]

I would want more info as to why the box is $100 extra.

perhaps that's what cost numeration of every box. you know, sort of high intellectual job
must be paid sufficiently, other way no one would be interested in seating and counting of
those 2500 units, to make sure each got its correct number

[Hepcat]

$100 is a lot to pay for the box itself, not including the discs. $30 per disc x 6 = $180 Numbered 6 SACD box set @ $280

At that price I think I'll wait until they show up in the remainder bin.

[timbre4]

This thread gives me mute nostril agony, must find the next whisky bar.

[cupboy]

perhaps that's what cost numeration of every box. you know, sort of high intellectual job
must be paid sufficiently, other way no one would be interested in seating and counting of
those 2500 units, to make sure each got its correct number

They do need to make sure the lowest numbers go to the disks with the deepest pits before the stamper got worn down.

[djsweep]

Technically DVD-A is not superior to SACD in any sense of the word. SACD has oversampling that is 8 times the resolution of a DVD-A (PCM signal). SACD is considered the closest thing to the Analog tapes as possible-almost an EXACT copy. The reason why there is not a lot of SACD titles for current bands is because the current bands were recorded in PCM and to upconvert PCM to SACD (DSD) doesn't create anything better than the source. Whereas the reason why they are pulling a lot of old titles from the past is because they were recorded on Analog tape. Since DSD (SACD) is considered to be an exact copy of the analog tapes it makes since to convert those to digital for the final time as it will be the closest to the source. Just take a look at the Elton John SACD's, they were all done from the Protool masters (PCM) and as such the piano sounds like poop. The Doors DVD-A mixes sucked---Morrison Hotel mixes were so far from the original i won't dirty my player by putting them into it again. There was stuff on the DVD-A's i hope i never hear again. I don't have the SACD's but I hope they are better than the DVD-A and I will buy them as soon as possible.