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    Next on my SHM hit list.. Who's Next and Marvin's What's Going On.. Just gotta decide if I can stretch to 30-odd a piece for the SACDs or under 20 for the white box-less Platinum CDs.. hmm..
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    Next on my SHM hit list.. Who's Next and Marvin's What's Going On.. Just gotta decide if I can stretch to 30-odd a piece for the SACDs or under 20 for the white box-less Platinum CDs.. hmm..
    I require my platinum SHM CDs to come in white boxes. I've got two so far. Paradise Theater and Blind Faith. Also have the SHM SACD of Blind Faith and compared them. The SACD lost the contest immediately. It was a different mastering though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    Some more interesting SHM-SACD releases arriving on July 30th according to CD Japan....

    Countdown to Ecstasy - Steely Dan
    http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UIGY-9566

    Deceptive Bends - 10cc
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    Count me in for Countdown To Ecstasy.

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    エクスタシー [SHM-SACD] [初回限定生産] / スティーリー・ダン
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    How about the old Quad mix, or a new 5.1 mix? Bronfman kids makin' profits for themselves, you know they don't give a f%&k about anybody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quad Linda View Post
    How about the old Quad mix, or a new 5.1 mix?
    I'm sure it will be easier to find the original stereo analog master tapes on classic albums like these vs. looking for the multi-track master tapes and funding a new 5.1 mix and mastering.
    Or even converting a 4.0 Quad mix to 5.1 Surround Sound for a new release.

    The best bet for 5.1 releases will be new albums that can be mixed in 5.1 and stereo during production, now out of print 5.1 releases (DVD-A, SACD) and mining the vaults for 5.1 mixes
    that have gone unreleased until now.

    Not expecting any of this in the SHM-SACD series from Universal Japan. It's not their focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    I'm sure it will be easier to find the original stereo analog master tapes on classic albums like these vs. looking for the multi-track master tapes and funding a new 5.1 mix and mastering.
    Or even converting a 4.0 Quad mix to 5.1 Surround Sound for a new release.

    The best bet for 5.1 releases will be new albums that can be mixed in 5.1 and stereo during production, now out of print 5.1 releases (DVD-A, SACD) and mining the vaults for 5.1 mixes
    that have gone unreleased until now.

    Not expecting any of this in the SHM-SACD series from Universal Japan. It's not their focus.
    Elliot Scheiner found the multi's for Countdown To Ecstasy, Katy Lied, Can't Buy A Thrill & Pretzel Logic 10 years ago..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quad Linda View Post
    エクスタシー [SHM-SACD] [初回限定生産] / スティーリー・ダン
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    How about the old Quad mix, or a new 5.1 mix? Bronfman kids makin' profits for themselves, you know they don't give a f%&k about anybody else.

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    Oh yes Linda! I'd much rather have ES' 5.1 mix of "CTE", of course.. but.. this is one of the SD classics where no CD sounds that wonderful ("My Old School", which I love, is either too recessed & tame on the old 80's CD or a bit brittle and loud on the various remasters). I'm hoping this new DSD transfer can extract the absolute last drop of goodness out of whatever tapes they're using!

    Funny, the SHM-SACD of "The Royal Scam" got cancelled and that's one of the sets of SD multi's ES was never said to have found... maybe no stereo or multi master tapes for that album are held in the archives and all that's in the Universal vaults is Roger Nicholls' transfers to digital he did in the early 80's, which Universal Japan deemed unfit for a DSD transfer for "TRS"..? Hmm..
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    There's an interesting thread on the SHM-SACDs over on the Steve Hoffman forum that ranks the discs by sound quality compared to other format editions of the albums.
    Worth a look when shopping. The top ones there (full list is shown in message #328) are:

    • Black Sabbath - Master of Reality
    • Carpenters - The Singles 1969-73
    • Dire Straits - Dire Straits *
    • Bill Evans - Explorations
    • Bill Evans - Moon Beams
    • Gentle Giant - Octopus
    • Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
    • Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn
    • Jimmy Smith - The Cat
    • Traffic - John Barleycorn Must Die
    • Wishbone Ash - Argus
    • The Who - Quadrophenia
    • The Who - Who's Next (SH's MCA is very close)


    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread...#post-10594016

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    Quote Originally Posted by PK View Post
    Hi bmoura, can you list your recommendations? Thanks
    Dire Straits - Love Over Gold is a very good one also, if you can find a reasonable copy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by leahypc View Post
    Dire Straits - Love Over Gold is a very good one also, if you can find a reasonable copy...
    Haven't heard that one on SHM-SACD. I do have "Brothers In Arms" and "Dire Straits" on SHM-SACD. I can recommend both.

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    4 new shm-sacds coming from Japan.....3 from U.K. and Eddie Jobson with Zinc...

    I dig the interplay between Buford-Holdsworth and the flitting of Jobson's electric violin.....it ain't no Asia...

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    Could this be U.K. 1st, Danger Money & Night After Night? And Eddie Jobson/Zinc - The Green Album (1983)? I'll go broke buying these!


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    Haven't heard that one on SHM-SACD. I do have "Brothers In Arms" and "Dire Straits" on SHM-SACD. I can recommend both.
    I'm curious about the Brothers In Arms SHM version. I have the multi channel 20th anniversary SACD and I like it. Do you think the SHM version is better even though it's only stereo?

    Some DNR numbers HERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by timbre4 View Post
    Could this be U.K. 1st, Danger Money & Night After Night? And Eddie Jobson/Zinc - The Green Album (1983)? I'll go broke buying these!
    http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_Eddie...-Album_5852189
    http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/artist_UK_00...%BC%89_5852187

    Looks like some bonus tracks too.

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    UK link says invalid? How can you tell about bonus tracks?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint Eastwood View Post
    I'm curious about the Brothers In Arms SHM version. I have the multi channel 20th anniversary SACD and I like it. Do you think the SHM version is better even though it's only stereo?

    Some DNR numbers HERE
    The Stereo SHM-SACD sonics are better than the Stereo SACD and Stereo CD audio from the Multichannel SACD. Multichannel Dire Straits fans will want both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    I'm sure it will be easier to find the original stereo analog master tapes on classic albums like these vs. looking for the multi-track master tapes and funding a new 5.1 mix and mastering.
    Or even converting a 4.0 Quad mix to 5.1 Surround Sound for a new release.

    The best bet for 5.1 releases will be new albums that can be mixed in 5.1 and stereo during production, now out of print 5.1 releases (DVD-A, SACD) and mining the vaults for 5.1 mixes
    that have gone unreleased until now.

    Not expecting any of this in the SHM-SACD series from Universal Japan. It's not their focus.
    If the quad mix doesn't suck why not release that? Don't they save the original 4.0 mix as a master? Not specifically CDTE but in general. Converting a perfectly fine quad mix to 5.1 is no doubt expensive and much more difficult obviously. Sorry this is off topic for shm stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by himey View Post
    If the quad mix doesn't suck why not release that? Don't they save the original 4.0 mix as a master? Not specifically CDTE but in general. Converting a perfectly fine quad mix to 5.1 is no doubt expensive and much more difficult obviously. Sorry this is off topic for shm stuff...
    SHM SACDs aren't about surround sound at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupboy View Post
    SHM SACDs aren't about surround sound at all.
    They could be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizardKing View Post
    They could be...
    Sure they could be. I think it's a combination of the plans for the series - high quality Stereo remasters on SHM-SACD plus the added cost to add Multichannel as to why the series remains Stereo only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cupboy View Post
    SHM SACDs aren't about surround sound at all.
    If you have nothing to contribute then try to refrain from posting please. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by himey View Post
    If you have nothing to contribute then try to refrain from posting please. Thank you.
    cupboy's not being obtuse here, Universal and JVC (the guys behind the SHM technology) have stated their original intent was not to have a MultiCh programme on their SHM-SACDs.

    Not because it can't technically be done but because they felt adding any other programme to the single layer would adversely affect the quality of the disc and playback.

    To me it all smacked of bullshit and snake oil voodoo garbage but that's what the people behind these discs had to say so really it's not fair to shoot the messenger, blame Universal and JVC.
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    There is one other factor that shouldn't be overlooked - traditionally surround music has been a hard sell to the Japanese.

    It's one of the reasons the old Sony Single layer MultiCh SACDs from Japan released 10+ years ago are more readily available than their USA & European counterparts which are much harder to source nowadays.

    All sorts of reasons have been postulated but one consideration is the Japanese largely live in more modest dwellings than Americans etc.. and accommodating a room full of speakers necessary for MultiChannel music isn't as easy an option as it is for people in other countries where living space isn't at such a premium as it is in densely populated Japan.

    Its probably as much a commercial decision based on the demographic (these SHM SACDs are Japanese releases intended for their domestic market as much as anywhere in the world) plus of course there's the added overhead to Universal adding 5.1 mixes and so on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    There is one other factor that shouldn't be overlooked - traditionally surround music has been a hard sell to the Japanese.
    An interesting notion. But it doesn't explain the Japanese record companies that have issued - and in some cases continue to issue - Multichannel SACDs. In some cases just for the Japanese market.
    Ditto for the Quad era where there were additional 4.0 Surround albums that were not released in the U.S. market along with the Quad albums from RCA, Columbia, etc that were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by himey View Post
    If you have nothing to contribute then try to refrain from posting please. Thank you.
    I believe what he meant was that quality is their focus.

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