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    5.1 icon Chicago - QUADIO [BluRay Audio]

    Please post your thoughts and comments on this June 2016 release from WB/Rhino that includes every quadraphonic album released by Chicago in the 1970s, CHICAGO QUADIO. This remarkable BluRay Audio set includes all 9 albums in replica packaging in a jewel box sized box with 24/192 Stereo and DTS Master Audio 24/192 four channel. (These discs do not have an LFE or Center audio channel, and these mixes are the 1970's quad releases which are different than the 3 DVD-A 5.1 Chicago releases of the early 2000's)

    [NOTE: Chicago IV, the double live album, was never released in quad so it is not included in this box set]

    Scans are attached to the first few posts in this thread that show the jacket cover and disc from each individual album.

    Place your vote on the ENTIRE PACKAGE as a single entity, which is is. Should the individual titles be released as individual discs they will get their own poll entry.

    PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION THREAD: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...read.php?22044

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    CHICAGO II:

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    CHICAGO III:

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    CHICAGO V:

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    CHICAGO VI:

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    CHICAGO VII:

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    CHICAGO VIII:

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    CHICAGO IX: GREATEST HITS

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    CHICAGO X:

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    Well I feel that I have to complain about the false advertising on this package and on the discs themselves. Despite the markings, these discs do NOT illuminate my CD-4 Demodulator light at all. I would imagine they are all defective!


    On a serious note, please keep this poll thread on track and only about your opinions of the audio on these discs. If you want to comment about shipping, arrivals, or anything not related to rating the discs, you can still post in the pre-release discussion thread located here: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...read.php?22044
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    Happy to be the first to comment! I love this set and gave it a 9. I have to be forgiving and understand that these quad mixes were done over 40 years ago so they will not sound like a mix done yesterday. For Chicago II, I must say I like the 5.1 mix more mainly because the remix from the multis shows how well recorded this was originally and somehow all the stereo and quad masterings I feel sound a bit hard, or shrill. Starting with III however, the sound markedly improves and every quad mix is very nice. Mind you, I make the comments on II (same with CTA) understanding that Columbia often has tendencies to be bright masterings during this era, everything changes the very next year, 1970.

    Chicago was a band with heart, and this really comes through. There is some magnificent songwriting here, and the great talents of 3 diverse vocalists. Simply a great band back in those days!

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    Short take:

    http://cdn.soundandvision.com/images...?itok=plLGuENH

    Although the linked photo shows only a monaural signal. I can imagine the waves blowing in alternate directions in a humorous fashion.

    I, for one, and grateful that these are the 40 year old mixes. It seems that very few modern mixers have picked up on the concept of highly discrete elements coming from all directions, which I quite like. This set is stunning sonically and is a fantastic archival preservation of fantastic classic quad mixes. I could quibble about the lack of a new booklet or some other such, but why? All we have wanted on this forum is good clean surround, and this is it, just as we have requested. Heck, Jon even seems to have fathered the title of the box in a 2011 Hoffman forum post:

    http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/thread.../#post-6429914

    Unless you hate the music of Chicago, this is essential surround sound listening. There is no fluff in the compilation, and it is a complete record of the band's quad material. I voted an easy 10.
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    Love this set, and I'm wearing it out. Even my wife is enjoying it. She loves Chicago X. Thank you Rhino & Chicago, and everyone else who had a hand in making this happen! An easy and heartfelt 10 from me.
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    Some of my comments are repetitive from the other thread, but this set is so good that it deserves repetition - preferably in your Blu-ray player:

    C.T.A. The BR-A DTD-MA of C.T.A. renders the original DTS Quadio totally obsolete. The improvement in sound on the BluRay is absolutely staggering. There is more clarity, depth and ambience. There is less "grain", subsequently it does not fall apart at high volumes or cause listening fatigue as does the straight DTS. I can hear things on the BluRay that I did not on the DTS. C.T.A. finally as it was meant to be heard. Worth the price of the entire set on its own.

    II, V, VI I had these on SQ record back in the day and listened to them through a Lafayette SQ-W full-logic variblend decoder. No contest! That old decoder just couldn't handle the complex passages and display the degree of channel separation that actually exists in these recordings. I am shocked at how open they now sound with full channel separation.

    III Never had this album before getting this set. It is a very interesting recording that definitely benefits from the quad treatment. It will be played a lot more.

    VII Another made for quad recording. The only disappointing track for me is Call On Me which I think could have benefited by putting the horns in all four channels. Sooooooooooo, I played the stereo layer through Logic 7 and PLIIx. Bloody fantastic! Sounded as good as the 5.1 mixes on the DVD-Audios of II and V. Then I just listened to it in straight stereo. Still great. The few stereo tracks that I've heard have excellent depth and, in some cases, seem to exhibit a degree of what I've heard called "side-wall imaging."

    X Another album that I've never owned before. Being one of those who believe that CTA was the epitome of Chicago's music, I expected to be disappointed by the music on X, but I am not. Definitely more pop oriented, but very well done. Another great sounding quad.

    I haven't listened to VIII as of yet.

    Finally, it seems that some members on the Hoffmann thread believe that the bass on these Quadios is a bit overdone. I can see how they might feel that way, but any issue they may have is easily corrected with judicious use of the tone controls. These so called mastering "issues" do not bother me. A well mastered recording allows the listener to adjust tone controls to his/her taste and achieve excellent results. Such is the case with this Quadio set. Besides, Pete Cetera plays one heck of a mean bass Rhino brings it to the forefront. Always loved his playing on Poem 58, the bridge on Questions 67 and 68, that signature intro to I'm A Man, etc.

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    Okay folks not a massive Chicago fan... Have their "best of" don't listen to it too much... My Cdn cost for this package is $169.00 plus tax from my local retailer. A little high for my liking. BUT all these positive comments make me think I should not miss this opportunity especially since I own no other Chicago MC discs... I need some convincing to dig a little deeper in my pocket... Above and beyond all the positive comments that have already been said, feel free to convince me. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bossfan View Post
    Okay folks not a massive Chicago fan... Have their "best of" don't listen to it too much... My Cdn cost for this package is $169.00 plus tax from my local retailer. A little high for my liking. BUT all these positive comments make me think I should not miss this opportunity especially since I own no other Chicago MC discs... I need some convincing to dig a little deeper in my pocket... Above and beyond all the positive comments that have already been said, feel free to convince me. thanks
    Well, I can't begin to convince you to buy it...for $169. But if you do like most of us in US, you could get it for less than $115. Just sayin...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bossfan View Post
    Okay folks not a massive Chicago fan... Have their "best of" don't listen to it too much... My Cdn cost for this package is $169.00 plus tax from my local retailer. A little high for my liking. BUT all these positive comments make me think I should not miss this opportunity especially since I own no other Chicago MC discs... I need some convincing to dig a little deeper in my pocket... Above and beyond all the positive comments that have already been said, feel free to convince me. thanks
    I'm in the same boat as you. If I manage to get everything done this month that I need to get done, I'm going to reward myself with this set.

    I knew nothing about Gentle Giant, but I took the plunge for "Power and the Glory" based on the enthusiasm here. It was worth it. I've been spotify-ing my way through Chicago's classic catalog to see if I am similarly inspired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bossfan View Post
    Okay folks not a massive Chicago fan... Have their "best of" don't listen to it too much... My Cdn cost for this package is $169.00 plus tax from my local retailer. A little high for my liking. BUT all these positive comments make me think I should not miss this opportunity especially since I own no other Chicago MC discs... I need some convincing to dig a little deeper in my pocket... Above and beyond all the positive comments that have already been said, feel free to convince me. thanks
    You can get it for $120cdn:
    https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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    Received my shipment today and have started listening to the albums. Having purchased the original Rhino CTA release I decided to start with Chicago II. I got through Chicago II and III and decided to go back and give CTA a listen after all. Generally speaking, as a whole, I have never been a big fan of Chicago. They were a band that came out smack dab in the beginning of my teenage years. So, I was certainly in their target demo. Having said that overall I was never a big fan of Chicago, I LOVE Chicago Transit Authority! In my opinion, that first album is amazing. From the beginning there was that distinctive sound that was Chicago. It's not like some groups where early recordings sound like they were from a completely different group than later recordings. All the elements that people came to know as "Chicago" were all there on that first double album. The thing that was different, and never really demonstrated on any future albums, was a "heavier" influence in their sound on that first album. The guitar playing could have been coming from Jimi Hendrix himself on some songs. There were clearly influences from bands from that era. CTA came out in April of 68, less than a year after the release of Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. There is even a tip of the hat to Magical Mystery Tour in South California Purples when they sing, I am you and you are me and we are all together... (Or however that line goes) It is that heavier, psychedelic influence of the bands from that time that make me LOVE this first album. Great Hendrix style guitar playing, amazing percussion, classic rock band Hammond organ. It is that layering of the sounds and styles of bands from that era over the framework of Chicago composed songs that makes this first album and exceptional standout. My personal favorites from this first album are South California Purples and I'm a Man. The cuts that I tend to describe on later albums as "musical masturbation," are far more psychedelically influenced on this first album. That changes to more jazz and classical influence on subsequent albums.
    By Chicago II that "heavy" influence of the era was gone and what would become the consistent Chicago sound emerged. That's not to say that the other albums aren't impressive and sophisticated examples of music from that era. The musicianship and song composition of the band is incredibly sophisticated, particularly when you think about how very different they were from other rock bands of that time. There weren't a whole lot of rock bands with a great horn section. While I don't necessarily love all their remaining catalog, I can certainly appreciate Chicago as a band.
    From a surround perspective there is absolutely nothing to complain about. The separation is incredibly discrete and well thought out in the placement of instrumentation. To my ears the sound quality is also fantastic. Rhino could easily have just released the greatest hits disc and most folks would have been happy. But I am glad they decided to release their 4.0 catalog. On those later albums I am hearing little gems among the cuts that were never big hits. In fact, most of the big hits are my least favorite titles on the recordings because they were played to death on the radio when the albums first came out. So it's great to sit down and listen to the discs in full in chronological order. I can say that I don't like all of it, but I certainly like and appreciate enough of it to be very happy with this purchase. It really gives me an appreciation of a band that I had no appreciation for at all after the release of that first amazing album. Even though I have not listened to every disc, I know this boxset deserves a 10 and that is what I'm voting.
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    Bloody superb. 10. Nothing else to say.

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    Got my box set in yesterday, so here I go with my first review, for Chicago IX, Chicago's Greatest Hits!

    First off, there's some guitar bits in "25 or 6 to 4" that are exclusive to this mix, which is really cool in itself, but immediately, you are hit with such an incredible amount of discrete energy and clean fidelity that's never been present in any stereo version I have ever heard of this song. It's truly remarkable!
    Continuing on with "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?", again there's a discrete separation and clean fidelity present that I have never heard before. There are some mix decisions I would have handled differently, like I don't think it was a good idea to shove the backing vocals in one front channel, diminishing them a little bit, but overall this is another good mix.
    Hearing Terry Kath sing "Colour My World" is very emotional indeed, given his tragic departure from this life at such a young age. As far as Quad goes, it's a good mix despite its minimalist arrangement.
    Following that is one of my favorites, "Just You 'N' Me". The balances and panning decisions on this one is just outstanding, definitely a winner! The sax solo panning around all four channels is kinda cheesy, but just cheesy enough to where it still works pretty well.
    "Saturday in the Park" starts off with a bang with the piano in the back left corner. It's certainly a more discrete than the 5.1 version, but both are good in their own unique ways.
    "Feelin' Stronger Every Day" is another favorite, and this is another super discrete but clean mix. Great balances!
    Like "25 or 6 to 4", "Make Me Smile" has a clean fidelity and separation that I have never heard on any stereo master beforehand. It's really amazing how much better Chicago's mixing became as their career moved forward. No complaints on this one. It sounds fantastic, though I definitely prefer listening to it on the album so we don't get those edits taking out some of the best parts.
    Next up, "Wishing You Were Here" makes me wish I was listening to this on a lovely beach condo, but alas, my apt will have to do…
    I would have made some mixing decisions differently, like using the surround channels for those immersive Beach Boys backing vocals, but alas I wasn't around when this was mixed in Quad, so of course they couldn't have asked me…
    "Call On Me" follows with another strong mix, then we get to another favorite, "(I've Been) Searchin' So Long". Once again, I would have mixed things a little differently allowing the orchestra to take up the surround channels, rather than occupying the front, but it's still a strong surround mix overall.
    Ironically the album ends with "Beginnings", but it's only the beginning for my journey into this Quadraphonic wonderland! I love the way the acoustic guitar comes in behind you on the left and then the horns enter on the right. Very well done!

    Obviously, I need to listen to all the albums before voting for the entire set, but here's how I'm voting for the "Greatest Hits":

    Music: 3/3; Surround Mix: 2.5/3; Fidelity: 3/3; High-Res Disc: 1/1
    That's a 9.5 which rounds up to '10'!

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    Staying on track: A must have box set for any audiophile. I have listened to all and I will never buy another of these discs again, they are for me definitive. BD-A screen is clean and simple, SQ is perfect. The highlight for me is Disc 1, CTA, Track 7 Free Form Guitar, I can hear the raw energy of the air flowing through the amps, the guitar strings cringing, and just beautifully recorded sonic energy. A listening note from my machine, as I listen in Blu Ray mode it is an HDMI out into the pre amp, therefore because of my Audessy Correction and HDMI my center channel becomes active. It is OK and not a problem. Rather than move my chair towards the fronts I just turned up the fronts a wee bit and all was good at all times. All 10's.

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    I sent Dr Rhino a email praising the Chicago Quadio set. I did get a nice reply. I think everyone should email Rhino and tell them we want more.

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