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    Breaking the law by extracting something that was not advertised, nor is copyrighted in the booklet?

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    What surprises me even more is that the standalone editions include the Pompeii CD (for what supposedly they don't have the rights) and have removed the OBC stereo remix.
    This doesn't make any sense to me after they recognised the error and included the OBC CD in the big box. Well, unless they do plan to have another standalone release of the new stereo and surround OBC.

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    I'm going to defer any Pink Floyd purchases for at least year or two, simply because reading about it is so tiresome.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert van Diggele View Post
    Breaking the law by extracting something that was not advertised, nor is copyrighted in the booklet?
    Very witty indeed, Mr. Wilde.

    Regrettably the UK & American digital copy-write laws are technically quite broad. In the case I speak of, the criminal act
    is the decryption of the data which is required before extraction can occur. So legally speaking the physical location of the
    data is irrelevant. The encrypted data is still the intellectual property of the owner. So the crime would be just the same as if
    one was decrypting from Roger's digital workstation(along with other crimes.) My point is: The disc may be at your house on your shelf but its just as protected as if it were back at the recording studio.

    The inclusion of the 5.1 Meddle mix was a mistake, yes, but its still protected legally from decryption & extraction.

    Now, if the PCM data on the disc were un-encrypted, your case would stand and extraction would be legal.

    I don't really care about any of this... I just want to buy the bloody thing!!!!

    We all know I'm a silly Lupin-Thief, not a lawyer, but I have read the Digital Millennium Copywrite Act, and regrettably
    Britian has strengthened their powerful digital IP laws in addition. Decryption is what they don't want you doing, no matter where.

    This incenses me personally, since I purchase music legally, have had for over 40 years, and by law, I am not allowed
    to make a digital "best of" or play continuous music that exceeds what is on a specific disc(in regards to multi-channel DVD-A or BluRay Audio.)

    Back in the day, "Fair Use" protected us. But modern digital copy-write laws have made that moot. While the police don't smash down your door for playing 5.1 flac files, they are still quite illegal if they were decrypted from a DVD-Audio or BluRay.

    My singular point here:

    The stand alone release if it does contains the hidden 5.1 Meddle is still of no use to us who want to legally own that fabulous 5.1 mix. And I dare say it is indeed fabulous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisMoore Jr. View Post
    Even if the stand alone edition still has the embedded 5.1 Meddle mix, what point would there be to purchase? It would be a worthless coaster as far as playing in any optical player. But you could impress your buddies: "Look the music is inside this disc! We can't listen to it but the sacred digital bits are here buried inside!!!'

    Ripping the digitally encrypted audio via computer to flac then playing it is still a clear violation of English & U.S. Digital copy-write law, so one is still breaking the law.
    It's not anywhere near that clear-cut. As the Wikipedia entry for 'Ripping' notes,

    United States[edit]

    U.S. copyright law (Title 17 of the United States Code) generally says that making a copy of an original work, if conducted without the consent of the copyright owner, is infringement. The law makes no explicit grant or denial of a right to make a "personal use" copy of another's copyrighted content on one's own digital media and devices. For example, space shifting, by making a copy of a personally owned audio CD for transfer to an MP3 player for that person's personal use, is not explicitly allowed or forbidden.
    Existing copyright statutes may apply to specific acts of personal copying, as determined in cases in the civil or criminal court systems, building up a body of case law. Consumer copyright infringement cases in this area, to date, have only focused on issues related to consumer rights and the applicability of the law to the sharing of ripped files, not to the act of ripping, per se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon A View Post
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    What happened to the Live at Pompeii with quadraphonic sound release? Why can't I find it anywhere?
    It's actually a new 5.1 mix.
    No, OP is referring to the original, period quad mix of Pompeii, which was included on a DVD release some years back. Apparently, it's hard to find or verify if found.
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    I'm pleased to see that Floyd have decided to repackage the original box set making it more affordable, three of the box sets from 1970 on appeal to me.
    I was unaware of the problems surrounding Meddle in 5.1 so I have a few questions in that regard.

    1. Why the hell is it so difficult to play the content regarding Meddle 5.1
    2. Will that be put right in the new batch of Floyd March box sets.

    Thank you.

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    It's not really been repackaged, elements of what in the packaging are being released seperately (in the same sub packaging as far as we're aware) but not all of it. The vinyl and the last whatever/ation is not included in the seperate releases.

    1. Meddle 5.1 was withdrawn, but for some reason the data remained on the disc although menu access to it was not possible.

    2. It is not expected to be, but we don't yet know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike the Fish View Post
    It's not really been repackaged, elements of what in the packaging are being released seperately (in the same sub packaging as far as we're aware) but not all of it. The vinyl and the last whatever/ation is not included in the seperate releases.
    And this was always the plan. When the box was announced, they also announced that the individual volumes would be released in 2017. The packaging for each set—a DVD case-size mediabook—is unchanged. In the box, they already had individual catalog numbers and UPCs, and all the labeling necessary for individual sale.
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    What he said.

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    I am wondering if any of the discounters are going to be stocking these?? importcds, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediJoker View Post
    No, OP is referring to the original, period quad mix of Pompeii, which was included on a DVD release some years back.
    Someone correct me if I am wrong, as I often am, but I do not think that the "period quad mix" was ever released in any official capacity. My recollection is that a fan got access to a rare film print of Pompeii (which received a very limited release in quad to theaters so equipped) and took the time and effort to transfer that quad mix to DVD-A. That mix then circulated in collector circles, but was never officially released.
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    I believe that is the case. The transfer was discussed on QQ to some degree. I have the "Director's Cut" DVD version and I'm certain it was not the original quad soundtrack replicated in DD on there. Someone who has the giant box set should be able to comment on how the new 5.1 version compares with previous iterations, be them quad or Dolby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourplay View Post
    Someone correct me if I am wrong, as I often am, but I do not think that the "period quad mix" was ever released in any official capacity. My recollection is that a fan got access to a rare film print of Pompeii (which received a very limited release in quad to theaters so equipped) and took the time and effort to transfer that quad mix to DVD-A. That mix then circulated in collector circles, but was never officially released.
    That is my recollection as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Svensson View Post
    I am wondering if any of the discounters are going to be stocking these?? importcds, etc.
    Import CDs and Deep Discount both currently list the '68, '69, '70 & '71 boxes. Import CDs has the better prices ranging from $33 to $40, depending on the title.

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    Thanks, I looked yesterday and didn't see them on importcds. Now...I have 1969-70-71 ordered, we'll see about others later. Also in the waiting for category...... "Oranges & Lemons" as I have run out of BR music discs to buy...... and long time "Wants" that I never pulled the trigger on: "Workingman's Dead" and Yes's "Magnification"....at $35 and $25 they were not bad deals.

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    Burning Shed now has all 6 Early Years volumes available for preorder.

    1970: https://www.burningshed.com/store/pr...duct/453/8490/
    1971: https://www.burningshed.com/store/pr...duct/453/8491/
    1972: https://www.burningshed.com/store/pr...duct/453/8492/


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    Quote Originally Posted by John Svensson View Post
    I believe that is the case. The transfer was discussed on QQ to some degree. I have the "Director's Cut" DVD version and I'm certain it was not the original quad soundtrack replicated in DD on there. Someone who has the giant box set should be able to comment on how the new 5.1 version compares with previous iterations, be them quad or Dolby.
    I've heard both. DISCLAIMER: I know almost nothing about how recordings are mastered or mixed. I know almost nothing about how to set up a surround system other than the basics about speaker placement and some tweaking of levels, etc. I can't reliably hear above CD-level quality.

    Having said all that, I like both mixes. The 5.1 has what I think is some distortion, most noticeable to me during the Hammond/Leslie bits in Echoes. It's like a cassette tape recording of your buddies' "Live at Fillmore East" LP with the levels too high.

    If I have to pick a preferable mix, it's the Quad. The guitar ROARs during echoes and carries around the room on my system. I feel like I'm in the amphitheater with the Four Knights of Mystic Madness.

    I also like the 5.1, the instrument placement is very precise. The sonic limitations remind me of the not very good VHS dub I had back in 1989. It's a sentimental love. Were I an actual audiophile, I'd be a little gutted. I don't like that Echoes was mixed together, because I always liked how it stopped in the middle. It's like the SNAP of a light switch before you go to bed. They engineered that SNAP away, and I hated it. I miss the SNAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drphibes View Post
    I also like the 5.1, the instrument placement is very precise.
    The 4-track (L-C-R-S) mix that was on most of the 1970s magnetic prints also had very nice placement. I have no idea why it wasn't used for the now out-of-print DVD. Also never understood why the 4-track mag mix of "The Song Remains the Same" wasn't used for its DVD. I wonder if they're actually lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atrocity View Post
    Also never understood why the 4-track mag mix of "The Song Remains the Same" wasn't used for its DVD. I wonder if they're actually lost.
    Has the Zeppelin mix referenced above ever circulated in collector's circles? I would quite like to hear that. Not enough Zep in surround!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourplay View Post
    Has the Zeppelin mix referenced above ever circulated in collector's circles? I would quite like to hear that. Not enough Zep in surround!
    A good question, and I don't know the answer.

    I know for sure there were 35mm prints with 4-track magnetic sound because I was lucky enough to see/hear one a very long time ago. But I don't know if they were common or if the cheaper optical Dolby system had already started becoming more prevalent. Even though it irks me, I can at least make the case that the 2.0 track on the DVD is historically accurate since I think there were optical stereo prints available at the time.

    The Pink Floyd story is far more annoying because as far as I know, with the exception of the two quadraphonic prints, all the prints were all either optical mono or magnetic 4-track. The 2.0 track on the DVD doesn't sound bad by any means, but it's not historically accurate at all. With Dolby decoding, the Laserdisc sounds like a matrix encoding of the 4-track mix (instruments come of out of the correct speakers and "On the Run", which was always just panned mono, does what my memory says the theatrical mix did). I'm not sure where the DVD mix came from, but I don't think it's the same. Or it's just been too long since I've watched it and I'm old and grumpy and confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fourplay View Post
    Has the Zeppelin mix referenced above ever circulated in collector's circles? I would quite like to hear that. Not enough Zep in surround!

    L-C-R-S means the rear channels are same (mono). Nor really 'quad' is we know it, but this is how it was done in cinemas in the early-mid 70s (Yessongs, the movie, was the same).


    I'd wager the modern DVD/BluRay 5.1 mix of the soundtrack is an improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssully View Post
    I'd wager the modern DVD/BluRay 5.1 mix of the soundtrack is an improvement.
    I don't have the 5.1 , so I cant really say. But the hobbyist release was done exceptionally well. There are versions with and without the video if I recall correctly. And I also remember reading a lot of verbiage about the restoration work that was needed, changes to delays maybe, or synching up tracks from the cinematic reel but I don't remember the details at all. I'd like to re read it if anyone finds it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvMyQuad View Post
    I don't have the 5.1 , so I cant really say. But the hobbyist release was done exceptionally well. There are versions with and without the video if I recall correctly. And I also remember reading a lot of verbiage about the restoration work that was needed, changes to delays maybe, or synching up tracks from the cinematic reel but I don't remember the details at all. I'd like to re read it if anyone finds it again.
    I was referring to the Led Zep, not Floyd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssully View Post
    I was referring to the Led Zep, not Floyd.
    ahhh my mistake.

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