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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Quote Originally Posted by quicksrt View Post
    Well they can always do like the Beach Boys SACDs recently have, and decode the SQ and give us that on surround layer (joke).
    Haha!

    Good idea! I'll run the SQ thru my Surround Master for them - for free

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    Quote Originally Posted by quicksrt View Post
    I have a DTS conversion from stereo/SQ CD. I'm not sure I ever listened to it. Well, the time has come to review that set.
    Similar situation, though mine was among a load of conversions i had on DTS that went down the toilet when my laptop went kaput!
    If I had the Lotus to hand now I'd be able to check too.
    Ah, well, it'll all come out in the wash!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbillquad View Post
    I would like to invite you to have a Surround Master SQ unit to give these SQ LP`s a good fare listen you may change your mind on matrix LP`s ...........
    Its alright Bill, I'm pretty sure Dave's heard his fair share of Surround Master SQ conversions.. you have to accept/be aware that there's some (not disparaging its just a silly little phrase I made up!) "separation snobs" on here (I'm one of them ) and you just do not get that exact same feeling of surround you get with the likes of SACD/DVD-A/Q4/Q8, from any of the matrix Quad encode/decode systems with regard to separation (hope not to get embroiled in a big debate over this, you all know how much I've come to grow very fond of SQ thanks to the Surround Master., after years of dismissing SQ as a load of crap I now bizarrely love SQ! ..but lets not kid ourselves, SQ is not discrete surround and never will be. C'est tout! )
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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    So, obviously, it is discrete, himey? I've actually never heard LOTUS much less the SQ Vinyl version so I'd be curious how you would describe the mix.
    SQ can never be discrete but with some (not all) material (particularly instrumental stuff with no vocals to bleed through to the rears) I've found it does a very convincing job of psychoacoustically conning your lugholes into thinking they're listening to the real thing.. especially with that Surround Master SQ vinyl unit which is (to my ears) so musical and lovely and smooth, yet so good at attempting to separate stuff from front to back (unlike a Tate which is superb at separating FTB and STS but has a kinda mechanical slightly clinical approach imho.. you know Ralph, I've heard so many SQ conversions over the years, you could blindfold me and test to see if I can tell the difference between a Tate and a Surround Master, in fact I may play that game with the Kap'n he'll be here in a minute! ..all that said, that SQ vinyl Surround Master has been a godsend to someone like me who loves all that Soul/R&B that was only ever released in Quad on SQ records, I am a fan of SQ in as much as when it is good it is very good (just don't mention Bridge Over Distorted Water.. or Still Crazy After All These Rears.. which are among several SQ LP abominations imho! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by steelydave View Post
    Fair enough, I'll defer to those descriptions of the mix as it's been years since I've listened to it.

    I'm just not a big fan of SQ and also don't trust it, so in situations like that my bias leads me to believe that it's just the SQ decoder pushing out-of-phase stuff to the rears rather than instruments that were actually mixed back there.

    If it does turn out to be a real discrete mix with instruments in the rears, I'll be happier than fredblue is when he finds a rare new zealand pressing of an obscure ray conniff quad EP. ie incredibly happy.
    We have had some lovely chats touching on all this old Quad pallava since I caught the Surround Master SQ fever.. you know my thoughts on it Dave, sometimes its great, sometimes its shit but its always "Sorta Quad" (TM) and its been so wonderful since its enabled me to hear almost all of the R&B/Soul/Jazz Quads that either nobody had ever got around to converting or never appeared on any other format but SQ.

    If you'd told me 2 years ago that by the time I was 40 (today btw, hooray.. lets hear it for getting old! NOT!) I would have heard the Quads of:

    Isley Brothers: Live It Up, Harvest For The World, Go For Your Guns,
    O'Jays: Survival, Family Reunion, Message In The Music,
    Johnnie Taylor: Eargasm,
    Miracles: Love Crazy,
    Manhattans: It Feels So Good,
    Weather Report: Tale Spinnin',
    Return To Forever: Musicmagic,
    Maynard Ferguson: Conquistador,
    Wild Cherry: Electrified Funk, etc....

    ..I would have laughed in your face (in your face! ) but I'm not laughing now.. well, I am, kind of.. because thanks to SQ and the SQ Vinyl modded Surround Master I have got to hear all those and more in "Sorta Quad"... YIPPEE-DIPPEE-DOO.

    Nobody else converted them and/or put them out there (whether they were on 8track or not!) so I did them all myself. Rock and flucking Roll. Ahem. Thanks.. I'll get me coat!

    Ps. I still can't stomach too much Ray Connie, Quad or no Quad, it gets on me thrupenny bits after a while! Percy The Engine Faith on the other hand.. groovy baby (vinyl records.. groovy.. geddit?)
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    ".... you know Ralph, I've heard so many SQ conversions over the years, you could blindfold me and test to see if I can tell the difference between a Tate and a Surround Master, in fact I may play that game with the Kap'n he'll be here in a minute!" A certain member will love you for the methodology!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Svensson View Post
    A certain member will love you for the methodology!
    Hehe..

    Whoever the member, I just hope they're kinky!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban View Post
    .... it's all conjecture. And really, we all have to stop agonizing over stuff that could have and should have come out in any format, from the '70s, to the early '00s, to now. If you can't buy it, then it's not worth dwelling on. There was probably more shit that almost came out then actually did come out, and all of it would have probably been great!

    Getting arrogant about any of this stuff is a waste of energy.
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    Yes fredy my boy, I concur Matrix Surround can never be discrete ........yes it can........no it cant........But when its good its bloody good.....

    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    SQ can never be discrete but with some (not all) material (particularly instrumental stuff with no vocals to bleed through to the rears) I've found it does a very convincing job of psychoacoustically conning your lugholes into thinking they're listening to the real thing.. especially with that Surround Master SQ vinyl unit which is (to my ears) so musical and lovely and smooth, yet so good at attempting to separate stuff from front to back (unlike a Tate which is superb at separating FTB and STS but has a kinda mechanical slightly clinical approach imho.. you know Ralph, I've heard so many SQ conversions over the years, you could blindfold me and test to see if I can tell the difference between a Tate and a Surround Master, in fact I may play that game with the Kap'n he'll be here in a minute! ..all that said, that SQ vinyl Surround Master has been a godsend to someone like me who loves all that Soul/R&B that was only ever released in Quad on SQ records, I am a fan of SQ in as much as when it is good it is very good (just don't mention Bridge Over Distorted Water.. or Still Crazy After All These Rears.. which are among several SQ LP abominations imho! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    So, obviously, it is discrete, himey? I've actually never heard LOTUS much less the SQ Vinyl version so I'd be curious how you would describe the mix.
    I was going to use the term discrete when I posted last night but changed it to excellent to avoid any needless arguments ...my source was a DVDA conversion from a script I believe, it is at least 4 1/2 years old so there may be a slightly better version with an improved script. Even if you don't consider the fact that it is sq and live, it is still very good. Relative to the majority of live mixes, it is excellent in comparison.

    If there is indeed a discrete master available, there is no doubt that an AF release would turn out amazing. Not going to get my hopes too high after the recent Musicmagic letdown.

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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    This info from Audio Fidelity regarding the upcoming release of SANTANA LOTUS in SQ matrix quad is great news indeed.

    HIGH REZ MATRIX QUAD in the form on a SACD .




    But I have a question for BRIAN , our multi-channel maven in residence;

    Do you know if Audio Fidelity is recieving some SQ matrix encodes in lieu of Discrete Masters ? I ask because it's plausable that the Sony contact could be under the impression that they supplied quad master tapes, when in essence they unknowingly supplied "quad encoded masters " instead.

    I'm thinking BS&T GREATEST HITS, the upcoming RTF MUSICMAGIC, etc.


    (and let's not forget JOE WALSH-SO WHAT in QS of course)


    I've been thinking about this situation for some time now, but it's the LOTUS SQ from A.F. that has me in curiousity-sleuth
    mode, and it would be most helpful knowing for all at QQ.


    -thanks to Marshall and Brian in advance,

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    I should think, Jon, that one of the prime deterrents in encoding this LIVE is the necessary editing which accompanies ALL Live Rock concerts. You cannot edit or do overdubs ON THE FLY.
    Well, if the concert were somehow recorded on the fly into a decoder creating a stereo encoded master, as opposed to a stereo un-encoded master, the stereo encoded master could be edited just as easily as a stereo only master. I don't think edits screw up the encoding as it might a DTS signal.

    You do have a point on the overdubs, if there were any.

    Again, we'll never know, but I do know that Marshall was indeed trying to seek out the quad discrete master if it did exist. If he can't get it, then it probably is no longer in existence if it ever was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban View Post
    Well, if the concert were somehow recorded on the fly into a decoder creating a stereo encoded master, as opposed to a stereo un-encoded master, the stereo encoded master could be edited just as easily as a stereo only master. I don't think edits screw up the encoding as it might a DTS signal.
    Actually editing a matrix encoded Stereo album could change the phase relationships and encoding of the album.
    So it might still sound OK in Stereo, but not in decoded Quad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    Actually editing a matrix encoded Stereo album could change the phase relationships and encoding of the album.
    So it might still sound OK in Stereo, but not in decoded Quad.
    Interesting. I suppose one could verify this as follows:

    1) Record an SQ signal from a test record such as Quadraphile or the Project 3 Quad Test LP (SQ) Version. Maybe like the tones that appear in each channel for 15-20 seconds. Record in stereo, leaving the SQ encoding intact.

    2) Take the wav file into Sound Forge or some other wav editor. Edit out a few second from each tone in each channel, then insert the cut signal back into the same wave form at a different location within the original sound.

    3) Record the resulted mixed up patched together SQ encoded wav file to a CD or DVD, in stereo still.

    4) Play the CD or DVD back through a Tate or SM and listen.

    It might be fun!! Maybe I will try it. If I do, I will report back with a new thread documenting the process and results.
    :-jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOS View Post
    wow, no wonder I'd never heard of this one...it's a Live album. Hmmm. Am I interested in this? I dunno....
    Yes it is a 1974 live album in Japan me thinks??? not released here until 1991?? Snood throwing out numbers but me thinx me close on them maaaaaaaaaaaaybe lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by Snood View Post
    Yes it is a 1974 live album in Japan me thinks??? not released here until 1991?? Snood throwing out numbers but me thinx me close on them maaaaaaaaaaaaybe lol
    Further info with track listing, etc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_(Santana_album)

    TT: 121:08

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    Further info with track listing, etc.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_(Santana_album)

    TT: 121:08
    Is weeekipedium new??


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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    Actually editing a matrix encoded Stereo album could change the phase relationships and encoding of the album.
    So it might still sound OK in Stereo, but not in decoded Quad.
    Maybe, or maybe not.

    They (EMI) had little or no difficulty in transferring the intact SQ encode matrix to DVD @96/24 for Barclay James Harvest-Once Again.

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    I'm not following all the posts. Has there been any final verification about whether this is multi-channel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOS View Post
    I'm not following all the posts. Has there been any final verification about whether this is multi-channel?
    Nothing as of yet, but I wouldn't expect one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzywiggs41 View Post
    Maybe, or maybe not.

    They (EMI) had little or no difficulty in transferring the intact SQ encode matrix to DVD @96/24 for Barclay James Harvest-Once Again.
    If EMI did a straight transfer, with no manipulation of the SQ encoded tape, then it would decode correctly. And probably better than the LP since the phase relationships are easier to preserve on a digital medium than an LP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon A View Post
    Nothing as of yet, but I wouldn't expect one.
    Why would you not expect one? You would expect just a "no comment" for the next couple of months on that topic?

    I expect an answer, but it's not looking like the answer I would of preferred. Right, if quad was going to be on a SACD surround layer, it likely would have been shouted from the rooftops by now.

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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban View Post
    Interesting. I suppose one could verify this as follows:

    1) Record an SQ signal from a test record such as Quadraphile or the Project 3 Quad Test LP (SQ) Version. Maybe like the tones that appear in each channel for 15-20 seconds. Record in stereo, leaving the SQ encoding intact.

    2) Take the wav file into Sound Forge or some other wav editor. Edit out a few second from each tone in each channel, then insert the cut signal back into the same wave form at a different location within the original sound.

    3) Record the resulted mixed up patched together SQ encoded wav file to a CD or DVD, in stereo still.

    4) Play the CD or DVD back through a Tate or SM and listen.

    It might be fun!! Maybe I will try it. If I do, I will report back with a new thread documenting the process and results.
    Bit annoyed with myself I can't just post waveforms etc now to back it up (i stupidly didn't 'back it up' )
    because I could prove to you there is no detrimental effect on editing an SQ LP rip before decoding or after decoding, the results are the same.

    I will redo a few comparison tracks over the weekend, since my 2nd to last Mac went bye bye's I had SQ transfers in 2-Ch with and without edits then decoded and the same SQ records decoded first with and without edits etc. Not many but a few.

    Why did I have it both ways? Well, I found it much easier to transfer the SQ LPs in 2-channel, then decode them, than what I have been doing more recently which is play the 2Ch SQ and decode on rhe fly recording the decoded 4-channels in. It saves an entire process (so for a 45 minute album it used to take me 90 minutes in all to capture the 2-ch SQ and then decode those 2/SQ into 4/Quad.. whereas latterly it just takes 45 minutes to do the same 45 minute record). I'm probably explaining it really badly since I'm not technical but suffice it to say it takes half the time roughly when doing the process all in one go than it does to 1.) Record 2-CH SQ, 2.) Playback 2-CH SQ and decode into 4-CH, 3.) Edit and other processing etc.than it does 1.) Record decoded 4-CH, 2.) Edit and other processing.

    Somebody on here posted to the effect that it is detrimental to the SQ decoding process if you click repair or edit the 2-channels before decoding and you should only edit and declick the resultant decoded 4-channel rendition and that's what I have been doing most of the time but it made things bloody difficult with manually click repairing since you've got not 2 but 4 sets of tracks to clean up and work on..!!

    More recently I've been trying to get SQ LPs either sealed or in the best like NM condition I can find and that the records are as clean as clean can be (new machine helps Hoover the dust away! suck suck suck!) and then I just don't bother doing any or much click stuff etc., the bulk of the clicks left with these most recent things are in the bands of silence between tracks and I think some of those were always there inherent in the cutting where one track stopped and they stopped cutting and another track started so they started cutting again and that introduced clicks. Maybe..

    anyway, so when doing them now I either fade in or fade out each song once the actual musical information in each tracks finished or use the amplify tool to lower the overall volume by it's max of -50db to make the bands of "silence" and the run in and run out grooves (usually clicks and noise with vinyl records) more silent!

    Ah.. time for a juicy hangover beer, I've given myself a headache!
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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Note that this has been pushed back to 'Dec 25th 2016' which I think is the generic 'no release date available' date.

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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Quote Originally Posted by quicksrt View Post
    Why would you not expect one? You would expect just a "no comment" for the next couple of months on that topic?

    I expect an answer, but it's not looking like the answer I would of preferred. Right, if quad was going to be on a SACD surround layer, it likely would have been shouted from the rooftops by now.
    My apologies for not being more clear when I answered Gene's question. What I meant was that I wasn't expecting a Quad on this release. Not that I don't want one, because like everyone here I want this set to have a Quad mix, but I don't think it will happen.

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