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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Quote Originally Posted by steelydave View Post
    Note that this has been pushed back to 'Dec 25th 2016' which I think is the generic 'no release date available' date.
    I read on another thread that the Austrian SACD pressing plant is experiencing a three month production 'back~up' so that could be the problem but I also find it patently absurb that NO mention of whether this 2 disc SACD set will be true QUAD is ridiculous. I did email Marshall Blonstein @ AF to inquire but so far, NO response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steelydave View Post
    Note that this has been pushed back to 'Dec 25th 2016' which I think is the generic 'no release date available' date.
    Hmm.. the plot thickens like gravy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    I read on another thread that the Austrian SACD pressing plant is experiencing a three month production 'back~up' so that could be the problem but I also find it patently absurb that NO mention of whether this 2 disc SACD set will be true QUAD is ridiculous. I did email Marshall Blonstein @ AF to inquire but so far, NO response.
    Is it that absurd at this stage really if AF haven't located the tapes they intend/hope to utilise, as has been indicated by our Jon since Marshall Blonstein has asked him if he knows the whereabouts of the 4-CH master of the Lotus Quad..?
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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    Is it that absurd at this stage really if AF haven't located the tapes they intend/hope to utilise, as has been indicated by our Jon since Marshall Blonstein has asked him if he knows the whereabouts of the 4-CH master of the Lotus Quad..?
    Right, they haven't located the tapes, and are looking for quad master, and yet it is currently backed up at the pressing plant, and now it will arrive on Christmas day!

    That's a lot to get your head around. :@:

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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    If they need a mint condition original tri-fold Jacket and all inserts (to scan) for Lotus, I can help out there. The art presentation is going to be important here don't you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    Is it that absurd at this stage really if AF haven't located the tapes they intend/hope to utilise, as has been indicated by our Jon since Marshall Blonstein has asked him if he knows the whereabouts of the 4-CH master of the Lotus Quad..?
    The Four Channel LOTUS Master Tapes are sitting next to the QUAD Masters of Tail Spinnin' and MusicMagic........wouldn't ya think? https://cnsblog.files.wordpress.com/...5__12v2051.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    The Four Channel LOTUS Master Tapes are sitting next to the QUAD Masters of Tail Spinnin' and MusicMagic........wouldn't ya think? https://cnsblog.files.wordpress.com/...5__12v2051.jpg
    Haha.. I don't know what his Holiness thinks but I doubt it! Unless Sony Japan holds copies of RTF & WR Quads too..
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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    Is it that absurd at this stage really if AF haven't located the tapes they intend/hope to utilise, as has been indicated by our Jon since Marshall Blonstein has asked him if he knows the whereabouts of the 4-CH master of the Lotus Quad..?
    This could be a case where no Quad master Q4 tape exsists (as Jon has surmised previously).

    This may very well be an SQ ENCODED MASTER Tape only of the live concert. Not common for 74 but certainly not out of the question.Instead of feeding 4 or more direct buss inputs from tape, they could have used the four main mic inputs to the SQ ENCODER.

    Something to consider, anyway.

    and I won't be totally dissapointed if the SACD contains---only this encoding .u get what u get sometimes.

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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    Since I just rained on the parade in the Black Sabbath Paranoid thread, I might as well do it here. Lotus is stereo. Marshall told me it sounds incredible. The current estimate for a release date is 11/25. I think we should regard that as relatively fluid. It will be awesome whenever we get it.

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    The Bull Moose is correct.

    After four rounds of tape searching at Sony Music US and Sony Music Japan, along with Santana's Management Firm, 4 Channel Quad Tapes of Santana Lotus were not found.

    Stereo tapes of the album have been provided to Audio Fidelity and they will be used for the album's Stereo SACD release on the label later this year. No word on whether the Stereo tapes are SQ encoded.

    Marshall says the album's transfer to Stereo SACD sounds great. Looking forward to hearing it.

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    Default Re: Audio Fidelity SACD Santana "Lotus" coming in October

    I will step in and say it is one of my favorite Live Quad LP`s and in my opinion a great mix to......

    Quote Originally Posted by keenly View Post
    Is the quad mix actually decent?

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    The Bull Moose is correct.

    After four rounds of tape searching at Sony Music US and Sony Music Japan, along with Santana's Management Firm, 4 Channel Quad Tapes of Santana Lotus were not found.

    Stereo tapes of the album have been provided to Audio Fidelity and they will be used for the album's Stereo SACD release on the label later this year. No word on whether the Stereo tapes are SQ encoded.

    Marshall says the album's transfer to Stereo SACD sounds great. Looking forward to hearing it.
    Thanks, Brian, for settling THAT issue. And I suppose we should be grateful to Marshall and SONY US and Japan for attempting to locate the missing Lotus QUAD masters.

    My next question. If one has the Surround Master, can it decode an SQ encoded digital output from an SACD or RBCD player? I believe Adam (fredblue) mentioned that the SM only takes the analogue output from a Turntable to effectively decode SQ but I could be wrong.

    And my last question, Brian and you can answer this with a simple YES or NO. Will there be any more QUAD SACDs forthcoming from Audio Fidelity by years end?

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    The Bull Moose is correct.

    After four rounds of tape searching at Sony Music US and Sony Music Japan, along with Santana's Management Firm, 4 Channel Quad Tapes of Santana Lotus were not found.

    Stereo tapes of the album have been provided to Audio Fidelity and they will be used for the album's Stereo SACD release on the label later this year. No word on whether the Stereo tapes are SQ encoded.

    Marshall says the album's transfer to Stereo SACD sounds great. Looking forward to hearing it.
    One of the things I admire about Marshall is how available he makes himself. Speaking as a retailer, AF is great to work with.

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Thanks to Chris & Brian for the final word on what this release will be.
    I must say this is a much better situation that we find ourselves in (compared to what happened with "Tale Spinnin" and "Musicmagic".)
    If discrete 4-channel master tapes could not be located for "Lotus", then of course it has to be a stereo-only SACD, and I'm perfectly OK with that.

    Now I just hope we'll get another silver (Multichannel) title before the year ends!

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Disappointing as the quad mix is really good.

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    Thanks, Brian, for settling THAT issue. And I suppose we should be grateful to Marshall and SONY US and Japan for attempting to locate the missing Lotus QUAD masters.

    My next question. If one has the Surround Master, can it decode an SQ encoded digital output from an SACD or RBCD player? I believe Adam (fredblue) mentioned that the SM only takes the analogue output from a Turntable to effectively decode SQ but I could be wrong.

    And my last question, Brian and you can answer this with a simple YES or NO. Will there be any more QUAD SACDs forthcoming from Audio Fidelity by years end?
    Yes of course, you just run the Front Left & Front Right from the MultiCh analogue out of your SACD player into your Surround Master
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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    The Bull Moose is correct.

    After four rounds of tape searching at Sony Music US and Sony Music Japan, along with Santana's Management Firm, 4 Channel Quad Tapes of Santana Lotus were not found.

    Stereo tapes of the album have been provided to Audio Fidelity and they will be used for the album's Stereo SACD release on the label later this year. No word on whether the Stereo tapes are SQ encoded.

    Marshall says the album's transfer to Stereo SACD sounds great. Looking forward to hearing it.
    I thank and applaud Audio Fidelity for going to such great lengths to try and get this one done in MultiChannel, it sounds like they really tried, so hats off to them for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtbluray View Post
    Thanks to Chris & Brian for the final word on what this release will be.
    I must say this is a much better situation that we find ourselves in (compared to what happened with "Tale Spinnin" and "Musicmagic".)
    If discrete 4-channel master tapes could not be located for "Lotus", then of course it has to be a stereo-only SACD, and I'm perfectly OK with that.

    Now I just hope we'll get another silver (Multichannel) title before the year ends!
    Absolutely Ryan! Totally different situation to the RTF/WR (if indeed Quad tapes were available for those two, maybe they were not, in which case I'd feel quite differently about that state of affairs too.. but that wasn't what was implied at the time ) it would be wonderful if AF could deliver at least one more MCh SACD in 2016.. I'd buy it just to say "thanks for the surround" even if its more Christmas music! Maybe..
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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bull Moose View Post
    One of the things I admire about Marshall is how available he makes himself. Speaking as a retailer, AF is great to work with.
    Speaking as a consumer I think AF have been amazing!

    I just wish they could have afforded to go on with the Surround programme at the pace they were at but they're a business not a charity, something had to give, I respect that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    I thank and applaud Audio Fidelity for going to such great lengths to try and get this one done in MultiChannel, it sounds like they really tried, so hats off to them for that.
    Totally agree !

    At least they gave it a good go over, and I appreciate knowing what was done by them to try and locate a Q4 master,, worldwide.Thanks for that very important information btw.





    All is not lost though as I think, (well I hope )the stereo tape master will contain the Quad SQ encode.

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    why can't they just find a great vinyl copy, play it through a surround master and use that. it would be great. do i have to solve all their problems for them.

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Quote Originally Posted by newbyquad View Post
    why can't they just find a great vinyl copy, play it through a surround master and use that. it would be great. do i have to solve all their problems for them.
    There's a very good reason why that will never happen, and that's because doing something like that falls below the quality standards that Audio Fidelity have set for themselves.
    All of their SACD releases (stereo and stereo/multichannel) utilize the highest quality sources, which are the master tapes.
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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Betting that the so-called "stereo master" is the SQ encoded one. No real stereo-only version of this title that i'm aware of, only the SQ master, badged quad or stereo or whatever.

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    So, why can't they run the master tape, if it's SQ encoded, thru an SQ decoder in order to provide a multichannel layer on the SACD ?

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    Default Re: Santana "Lotus" - Stereo SACD from Audio Fidelity (Nov 2016)

    Quote Originally Posted by rtbluray View Post
    There's a very good reason why that will never happen, and that's because doing something like that falls below the quality standards that Audio Fidelity have set for themselves.
    All of their SACD releases (stereo and stereo/multichannel) utilize the highest quality sources, which are the master tapes.
    A release that utilized a 'needle drop' would be so poor in quality compared to all of their other releases.
    You've heard one of AoQ or Bob Romano's Quad needle drops, right?
    "Surround Sound From The End of the World to Your Town"
    825 SACD (676 MCh), 348 DVD-A, 298 SQ LP,
    138 CD-4, 133 Audio-DVD, 117 DualDisc, 112 BD-A,
    79 DTS CD, 56 Q8, 34 QS LP, 29 Dolby Surround CD,
    6 MultiCh DL

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