I just popped in my Japanese Wired to confirm it is 5.1. The label says SQ8 which I assume it was originally a quad 8 track ? Fredblue or RTbluray would know. But this sounds awesome, need to get to my new Rush.
I just popped in my Japanese Wired to confirm it is 5.1. The label says SQ8 which I assume it was originally a quad 8 track ? Fredblue or RTbluray would know. But this sounds awesome, need to get to my new Rush.
Just shut the center off and you get the same old quad from SQ/Q8 in glorious Hi-Rez. This title (and the other Jeff beck quad discs from Sony Japan) absolutely belong on your list.
FWIW all versions of the BxB SACD (Sony US, Japan, AP) are the same quad mix with derived C/LFE. The only difference is the AP version fixed the out-of-phase rear channels.
Thanks for the prompt response!
I'm a little unsure that just disabling center and LFE will actually "revert" back to the original 4.0 signal. I'm very newbish in general so please bear with me:
If the signal is manipulated to 5.1 from 4.0, then that's irreversible isn't it? Those frequencies and signals have been cut and then re-added by whatever media player you're using back into an approximated 4.0 right? Maybe I'm just dense but for example say you recorded a stereo signal to mono (say for example with a "Mono" switch on your Receiver / preamp). Then if you take that same tape and play back on the same receiver preamp but then switch the selector to "Stereo" you would NOT get a stereo signal since the way it was recorded was the summed mono signals on both L/R tracks of the tape. Seems like 4.0 to quad would be something similar.
I would love to be proven wrong since its a lot easier to find Multichannel mixes that were made from quad (ie; This Jeff beck, Moody Blues, etc) than releases that are dedicated 4.0 or have both (like some of the recent Floyd or Clapton boxes).
Thanks in advance for being gentle
I just popped in my Japanese Wired to confirm it is 5.1. The label says SQ8 which I assume it was originally a quad 8 track ? Fredblue or RTbluray would know. But this sounds awesome, need to get to my new Rush.
It's 'Sophie' and it was discussed on the other thread about the Sony Japan WIRED 5.1 release (which really should just be folded into this one, minus the endless tedious chatter about price and shipping times.)there's one track on this lovely ol' Quad that i think maybe used the "patented CBS fake-o-matic upmixing" technique as also heard on the Quads of Santana's "Amigos" & "Festival" and Herbie Hancock's "Secrets".. can you spot which one it might be?
To keep the poll thread free of clutter, such as this... Poll threads are for explaining votes. That's all.it would be unusual...but also an improvement.
Most of the posts from page 9 on there are discussing listener responses to the SACD itself, not just faffing on about delivery dates. At least one such discussion there already crosses over to this thread. What is the point of having two such threads? (For any releases, not just this one)
they don't have the same 'mixing philosophy' either, as previously mentionedI didn't say they had the 'exact same' approach. The point was: lead instruments* assigned almost exclusively to the rear channels. That's what I dislike. Especially if it's just an ensemble of 4-5 players.
*or any small group ensemble instrument, for that matter. Including drums.
I love the drums in the rear! I don't mind lead instruments assigned there either it sure beats the wimpy modern day mixes with little more than ambience back there. Sounds great in a vehicle as well (or at least it did when we had 6x9's in the rear deck)!
I didn't notice a lack of base without the lfe channel. I use the same full range speakers all the way around without a sub. It would be my personal preference to mix the lfe channel equally into all four speakers, not just the fronts.
they don't have the same 'mixing philosophy' either, as previously mentioned
Yes I fold the lfe channel into the mains (via the Oppo) but that is done with PCM only.Are you folding the LFE into your mains? That's what turning off the subwoofer channel does in modern AVRs (as it should). Though I'm aware many here seem wedded to pre-AVR technology.
the two Quads are not mixed alike, so whether you're using an old Quad Receiver or a more modern AVR, or have a Centre speaker or not, or are using a Subwoofer or not, or are using Bass Management or not, is irrelevant when comparing the Quads of "Blow By Blow" and "Wired" to one another because the two Quads are not mixed in the same way.At the risk of encouraging yet more pedantry, may I ask where the 'mixing philosophy' of these two quads was previously discussed ? Because clearly that's the most important issue raised in my lengthy post (I naively thought it would be the difference between active LFE and silent LFE playback).
Yes I fold the lfe channel into the mains (via the Oppo) but that is done with PCM only.
I set SACD playback for DSD as it sounds better than when converted to PCM by the OPPO, no mixing is done nor is it possible.
Quad releases should contain the original four channel only, full bass from all four speakers. I believe that the DV releases have only silent lfe and centre channels. I notice no loss of bass with the Sony SACDs. I don't use the centre and lfe with those.
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