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    From Steve Lukathers facebook

    "Toto Re- mastering ALL Sony records w/ Elliot Schiener at the wheel this week from the RAW UN EQ'd Tapes.
    OUR Remasters!
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    Scheiner, does that mean there is a sliiiight possibility for 5.1?

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    trying hard not to get my hopes up only to be dashed (as usual! )

    SHF thread on the subject too (keeping fingers crossed for some Toto 5.1 remixes from Scheiner the maestro.. while keeping it in perspective, remasters would be great too!!)

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    I'm with you Fred, even without multichannel this is still pretty interesting, I mean finally Elliot can work his magic on the horrific production on Turn Back. I am not keen on Rock Candy, I appreciate their work getting those 80s records out, but the sound is too compressed and generic, fatigue etc.

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    Unfortunately remastering doesn't sound like remixing.

    And it would likely take more than just some remastering to work magic on Turn Back. (My favorite Toto album)

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    does anybody know when was the last time Elliot Scheiner remastered something, or rather remastered something he hadn't remixed into 5.1..?

    if ever..!? doesn't mean it can't happen but.. why choose Scheiner, renowned for his surround mixing prowess, to remaster your back catalogue..?

    hmm.. I must go to sleep before I give myself a headache overthinking it!
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    At the very least, Sony should reissue ES' surround mix for "Toto IV" on Blu-Ray, or license it out to Analogue Productions for another Multichannel SACD release.


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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    does anybody know when was the last time Elliot Scheiner remastered something, or rather remastered something he hadn't remixed into 5.1..?

    if ever..!? doesn't mean it can't happen but.. why choose Scheiner, renowned for his surround mixing prowess, to remaster your back catalogue..?

    hmm.. I must go to sleep before I give myself a headache overthinking it!
    Valid questions. It's not like he is unfamiliar with Toto, he produced Tambu and Mindfields. As for his recent masterings I don't know.

    Could it be a misunderstandig in the first place, they mean Elliot as mixer and not master engineer? Not likely but it does raise the question...

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    Aw man :-/

    Steve Lukather: WE ARE RE MASTERING NOT REMIXING !!!!!! ( Read what I write haha ) I WILL SAY THAT THE FIRST 2 ALBUMS SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN RE MIXED.Working on finishing Hydra and then Tunr Back next. WE WILL RE -SHAPRE THE SOUND RADICALLY. UNBELIEVABLE SOUNDS NOW! GAVIN LURSSEN AND ELLIOT SCHEINER + ME, PAICH AND STEVE PORCARO IN THERE PRODUCING. I PROMISE YOU WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bright Side View Post
    Aw man :-/
    all that SHOUTING..!! whaddya reckon we're in for single digit DR jobs..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninecats View Post
    Valid questions. It's not like he is unfamiliar with Toto, he produced Tambu and Mindfields. As for his recent masterings I don't know.

    Could it be a misunderstandig in the first place, they mean Elliot as mixer and not master engineer? Not likely but it does raise the question...
    these are strange times..

    first Steven Wilson remixes Chicago II into Stereo only..

    and now Toto have seemingly coaxed the world's other premiere surround music mixing man around out of retirement to do some.. remasters.. !?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    all that SHOUTING..!! whaddya reckon we're in for single digit DR jobs..
    Adam, HAHAHA, maybe Steve L. has same problem as I do while looking down while I type, OOPS and before you know it you forget you just left CAPS LOCK ON FOR THE REST OF THE SENTENCE.

    Thats a good one though as all these artists and engineers are getting up there in age, I am personally amazed that many of them still can mix/produce pretty good sounding albums even though their hearing couldn't possibly be totally up to par any more at least that is my experience as I ask someone again to repeat what they just said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterzach View Post
    Adam, HAHAHA, maybe Steve L. has same problem as I do while looking down while I type, OOPS and before you know it you forget you just left CAPS LOCK ON FOR THE REST OF THE SENTENCE.

    Thats a good one though as all these artists and engineers are getting up there in age, I am personally amazed that many of them still can mix/produce pretty good sounding albums even though their hearing couldn't possibly be totally up to par any more at least that is my experience as I ask someone again to repeat what they just said.

    peter
    it was a bit cheeky of me.. ..its his music after all he's at liberty to do what he likes with it afaic, though a part of me wonders if Mr. Scheiner would really put his name to anything LOUD..!?

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    From Lukathers Facebook

    Robert Haden: Yes, very likely true, but Tot'o's music is perfect for 5.1 surround mixes....and no one's better than E.S. when it comes to surround sound production.

    Steve Lukather: Toto IV has a surround that Elliot did that will be out as well. Never been heard!

    Robert Haden: Steve, i already have the surround disc of Toto IV, done by Elliot. So it's a re-issue ?? Would give anything for all Tot'o's albums to be released in surround sound, but i know that's highly unlikely ! ?

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    Sounds like a re-release! Funny though that he thinks it's never been heard before. But hey, perhaps they're just not keeping track of their releases all that much? I read somewhere else that Lukather, and possibly Toto?, don't care very much about 5.1.

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    hmm... maybe its a different MCh mix (or different mastering of the same MCh mix on the old SACD).. either way things just got even more interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    hmm... maybe its a different MCh mix (or different mastering of the same MCh mix on the old SACD).. either way things just got even more interesting!
    Will definitely be cool to have that thing available again. I paid 75 bucks for it, and that was a bargain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bright Side View Post
    Sounds like a re-release! Funny though that he thinks it's never been heard before. But hey, perhaps they're just not keeping track of their releases all that much? I read somewhere else that Lukather, and possibly Toto?, don't care very much about 5.1.
    Steve Lukather did have his 1993 album Candyman remixed for 5.1 and released by DTS Entertainment. Love this album.....VERY discrete. Disregard the blurb about it being DVD~Audio. It's NOT.....strictly DTS...but sounds GREAT!

    http://www.5point1.com/ROCK-STEVE_LU...DVD_AUDIO.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bright Side View Post
    Will definitely be cool to have that thing available again. I paid 75 bucks for it, and that was a bargain!
    $60 was the price I ended up getting it for (and that includes shipping) but I would love to have it released on Blu-Ray audio!
    It's the format of today, and it's much easier to get backups and files from a Blu-Ray than a SACDů

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    From looking at the Facebook page, it seems that Gavin Lurssen is going to be the mastering guy, and Elliot is overseeing/advising and being the guy with 'magic ears'.
    If they come out as good as S. Lukather says they will then that'll be fine by me. There must've been at least some discussion of additional 5.1 - I guess we'll find out eventually...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    all that SHOUTING..!! whaddya reckon we're in for single digit DR jobs..
    Quote Originally Posted by leahypc View Post
    From looking at the Facebook page, it seems that Gavin Lurssen is going to be the mastering guy, and Elliot is overseeing/advising and being the guy with 'magic ears'.
    Welp, Gavin Lurssen mastered this:

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    DR7 -0.20 dB -8.34 dB 01 Rich Woman.wav
    DR6 -0.20 dB -7.35 dB 02 Killing The Blues.wav
    DR7 -0.25 dB -9.14 dB 03 Sister Rosetta Goes Before Us.wav
    DR8 -0.25 dB -10.67 dB 04 Polly Come Home.wav
    DR7 -0.25 dB -7.91 dB 05 Gone Gone Gone (Done Moved On).wav
    DR8 -0.10 dB -9.39 dB 06 Through The Morning, Through The Night.wav
    DR7 -0.20 dB -9.38 dB 07 Please Read The Letter.wav
    DR8 -0.20 dB -10.75 dB 08 Trampled Rose.wav
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    DR8 -0.20 dB -9.64 dB 10 Stick With Me Baby.wav
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    DR6 -0.20 dB -7.86 dB 12 Let Your Loss Be Your Lesson.wav
    DR10 -0.30 dB -13.32 dB 13 Your Long Journey.wav
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    Official DR value: DR7
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    here's hoping Mr. Scheiner helps keep things in double digits..!
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    I'm with you, Adam. I think they will be brickwalled. But, I bet, similar to the APP releases a few years back. Some worse than others.

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    #Doneright and "you will not be disapointed"

    These are promising things to read, but coming from a guy who said people didn't have the proper equipment to appreciate XIV fully is a bit... worrying. Especially since it's the worst example of sound production there is.

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    Gavin Lurssen mastered the new 25th anniversary release of Soundgarden's Badmotorfinger, reducing the average DR from 13 (1991 CD) to an 8. I don't expect fully dynamic releases with this guy.

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    This comment from Steve, as an answer to someone:
    " What? We did NOT. Who would? It is all from the ORIGINAL album mixes but Re shaped EQ wise but NO compression and very very HI fi. We are hearing subtle parts that were buried in the old mixes. Remember we had to mix for Vinyl back then and there were rules we HAD to deal with that were a drag. Elliot Schiener, Gavin Lurrsen and his co -mastering engineer Rueben did some amazing things. Its like a blanket was taken off the speakers on our 1-3 records and just a tweak here and there from Toto IV on. We found a 5.1 mix of IV Elliot did yrs ago that was never released.. SO many treats/ surprises will be in there as well , huge liner notes and photos and personal stuff.. and it is like we re-mixed the early stuff , the first 3 albums, but we didn't ! It's SO clear and hi fi! This was an amazing experience. NO compression was added !!!! NONE. It is full range 192 resolution and it will also be out on hi end Vinyl It has inspired us to write the NEW music we start on Jan 9th -March. Many surprises and ' treats' will be included. Out 2018 but we will tour 2017 as well. Some festivals in Europe and then the USA. A surprise is coming there as well. It is all working us up to the 40th ann in 2018. 2 year world tour to follow. Thats all for now. Happy Holidays to you all .. Luke"
    So we can confirm the re-issue of IV's 5.1 mix, and we can hope some nice hi-res remasters
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