Thanks Thanks:  38
Likes Likes:  64
Results 1 to 20 of 20

Thread: the night siren-steve hackett

  1. #1
    New Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    4
    Points
    2,254
    Level
    28
    Level completed: 70%, Points required for next Level: 46
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    Created Blog entry1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default the night siren-steve hackett

    Does anybody know if somebody other than Roger King mixed the 5.1 on the night siren? I can't believe we are possibly going to get another terrible 5.1 mix of a brand new bunch of songs! Hopefully not!!!

  2. #2
    Hi-Res Moderator rtbluray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Middle TN
    Posts
    6,240
    Points
    71,426
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Blog entryCreated Album picturesTagger First Class
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Quote Originally Posted by curtisjnewell View Post
    Does anybody know if somebody other than Roger King mixed the 5.1 on the night siren? I can't believe we are possibly going to get another terrible 5.1 mix of a brand new bunch of songs! Hopefully not!!!
    I don't know for sure, but I would be very surprised if someone other than Roger King was mixing this album (both in 5.1 surround and stereo.)

    Surround yourself with the best.

    Coming soon in 2017: "Songs from the Wood" (Jethro Tull); "Misplaced Childhood" (Marillion); "Eye in the Sky" (The Alan Parsons Project) and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

  3. #3
    Hi-Res Moderator rtbluray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Middle TN
    Posts
    6,240
    Points
    71,426
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Blog entryCreated Album picturesTagger First Class
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    OK, if you saw my post in the 'recent and upcoming gigs' thread, you will know that myself and Tim (timbre4) attended both of Steve Hackett's concerts in Nashville this week.
    As part of the setlist, he played three new songs from the soon-to-be-released album "The Night Siren": "Behind the Smoke", "El Nino", and "In the Skeleton Gallery".
    All three songs were very good (and you can even hear "In the Skeleton Gallery" now online), but the REAL scorcher was "El Nino", an intense instrumental track.
    After hearing it the first night, I remember Tim and I both looking at each other and thinking, "Damn, that was good!"

    If this upcoming record has at least a decent surround mix to it, I will not hesitate to buy it after being so impressed with what I heard over the last two nights!


    Surround yourself with the best.

    Coming soon in 2017: "Songs from the Wood" (Jethro Tull); "Misplaced Childhood" (Marillion); "Eye in the Sky" (The Alan Parsons Project) and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

  4. Thanks colsky, Snood thanked for this post
    Likes colsky, Snood, Simon A liked this post
  5. #4
    1K Club - QQ Shooting Star DuncanS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    2,230
    Points
    22,275
    Level
    92
    Level completed: 93%, Points required for next Level: 75
    Overall activity: 49.0%
    Achievements:
    10000 Experience PointsVeteranSocial
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    That's what they did when they played at The Giants Of Rock weekend, I really thought the songs were excellent as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by rtbluray View Post
    OK, if you saw my post in the 'recent and upcoming gigs' thread, you will know that myself and Tim (timbre4) attended both of Steve Hackett's concerts in Nashville this week.
    As part of the setlist, he played three new songs from the soon-to-be-released album "The Night Siren": "Behind the Smoke", "El Nino", and "In the Skeleton Gallery".
    All three songs were very good (and you can even hear "In the Skeleton Gallery" now online), but the REAL scorcher was "El Nino", an intense instrumental track.
    After hearing it the first night, I remember Tim and I both looking at each other and thinking, "Damn, that was good!"

    If this upcoming record has at least a decent surround mix to it, I will not hesitate to buy it after being so impressed with what I heard over the last two nights!

    177 SACD (159 Multi, 18 Stereo), 218 DVD-Audio/DTS/DD, 10 Blu-ray Audio, 14 SQ LPs, 2218 plain old stereo CDs

  6. Thanks rtbluray, colsky thanked for this post
    Likes rtbluray, colsky, Simon A liked this post
  7. #5
    Hi-Res Moderator rtbluray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Middle TN
    Posts
    6,240
    Points
    71,426
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Blog entryCreated Album picturesTagger First Class
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Yay! I finally found a video of "El Nino", the epic instrumental that Steve has been playing from the album on his current tour. Enjoy, it's a scorcher!




    Surround yourself with the best.

    Coming soon in 2017: "Songs from the Wood" (Jethro Tull); "Misplaced Childhood" (Marillion); "Eye in the Sky" (The Alan Parsons Project) and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

  8. Thanks JanBakker, Snood, colsky, DuncanS, peterzach thanked for this post
  9. #6
    Hi-Res Moderator rtbluray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Middle TN
    Posts
    6,240
    Points
    71,426
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Blog entryCreated Album picturesTagger First Class
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Live rehearsal video of Steve Hackett and band running through "El Nino":

    Surround yourself with the best.

    Coming soon in 2017: "Songs from the Wood" (Jethro Tull); "Misplaced Childhood" (Marillion); "Eye in the Sky" (The Alan Parsons Project) and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

  10. Thanks peterzach, svengaleekie, FVDnz thanked for this post
    Likes DuncanS, colsky, peterzach, Simon A, FVDnz liked this post
  11. #7
    1K Club - QQ Shooting Star colsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Chelmsford, England
    Posts
    1,071
    Points
    7,006
    Level
    55
    Level completed: 28%, Points required for next Level: 144
    Overall activity: 11.0%
    Achievements:
    Social5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Right, I'm almost through my first listen of the bluray in LPCM 5.1. I must confess that I have a stinking cold and my hearing is a bit muffled. But I would say that the mix is definitely better than Wolflight, its proper discrete 5.1 this time. The centre front is used oddly and inconsistently, not much for lead vocals or lead instruments, but its definitely used. The rears definitely see some action, including some nice guitar panning on a favourite of yours Ryan, El Nino, a great instrumental. Not an immersive 10 on first listen, but I'm enjoying it.

  12. #8
    Hi-Res Moderator rtbluray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Middle TN
    Posts
    6,240
    Points
    71,426
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Blog entryCreated Album picturesTagger First Class
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Quote Originally Posted by colsky View Post
    Right, I'm almost through my first listen of the bluray in LPCM 5.1. I must confess that I have a stinking cold and my hearing is a bit muffled. But I would say that the mix is definitely better than Wolflight, its proper discrete 5.1 this time. The centre front is used oddly and inconsistently, not much for lead vocals or lead instruments, but its definitely used. The rears definitely see some action, including some nice guitar panning on a favourite of yours Ryan, El Nino, a great instrumental. Not an immersive 10 on first listen, but I'm enjoying it.
    That's good that you think it's better than "Wolflight". Looks like I might be pulled into purchasing it after all…

    Surround yourself with the best.

    Coming soon in 2017: "Songs from the Wood" (Jethro Tull); "Misplaced Childhood" (Marillion); "Eye in the Sky" (The Alan Parsons Project) and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

  13. Likes von kulper, Simon A liked this post
  14. #9
    Hi-Res Moderator rtbluray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Middle TN
    Posts
    6,240
    Points
    71,426
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Blog entryCreated Album picturesTagger First Class
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Here are some pictures from amazon:







    Surround yourself with the best.

    Coming soon in 2017: "Songs from the Wood" (Jethro Tull); "Misplaced Childhood" (Marillion); "Eye in the Sky" (The Alan Parsons Project) and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

  15. Thanks von kulper, All Ears, Snood, JanBakker, Lute thanked for this post
    Likes Snood, JanBakker, Lute, Simon A liked this post
  16. #10
    Member OdysseyMusik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    Copenhagen, DK
    Posts
    113
    Points
    1,366
    Level
    20
    Level completed: 66%, Points required for next Level: 34
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    3 months registered1000 Experience Points
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Just got it and it sounds very nice!!

    Looking forward for the concert next month!

  17. Thanks JanBakker, rtbluray thanked for this post
    Likes JanBakker, rtbluray, Simon A, Snood liked this post
  18. #11
    Hi-Res Moderator rtbluray's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Middle TN
    Posts
    6,240
    Points
    71,426
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.8%
    Achievements:
    SocialVeteranCreated Blog entryCreated Album picturesTagger First Class
    Awards:
    Master Tagger
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    I'm very glad a few of you got this disc in before I did.
    I was so concerned that the 5.1 mix on this Blu-Ray would be as bad as people said the 5.1 mix on "Wolflight" was, but I'm happy to say after purchasing it today at Grimey's (in Nashville) that this disc does have a good 5.1 mix! (Not great, but good.)
    The music is top-notch, so for the price (around $20 or less) I would recommend purchasing it.
    Poll here: http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/foru...-Blu-Ray-Audio


    Surround yourself with the best.

    Coming soon in 2017: "Songs from the Wood" (Jethro Tull); "Misplaced Childhood" (Marillion); "Eye in the Sky" (The Alan Parsons Project) and "Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

  19. Thanks Snood, Lute, peterzach thanked for this post
    Likes Snood, Lute, peterzach, colsky, DuncanS liked this post
  20. #12
    New Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    4
    Points
    2,254
    Level
    28
    Level completed: 70%, Points required for next Level: 46
    Overall activity: 4.0%
    Achievements:
    Created Blog entry1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    Post Thanks / Like

    Smile Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Quote Originally Posted by colsky View Post
    Right, I'm almost through my first listen of the bluray in LPCM 5.1. I must confess that I have a stinking cold and my hearing is a bit muffled. But I would say that the mix is definitely better than Wolflight, its proper discrete 5.1 this time. The centre front is used oddly and inconsistently, not much for lead vocals or lead instruments, but its definitely used. The rears definitely see some action, including some nice guitar panning on a favourite of yours Ryan, El Nino, a great instrumental. Not an immersive 10 on first listen, but I'm enjoying it.
    I have now heard The Night Siren, and its excellent! The surround is Good. Thankyou to somebody it isn't like the surround for Wolflight. To bad Wolflight can't be re-done with a at least a good surround mix!!

  21. Thanks rtbluray, peterzach thanked for this post
    Likes rtbluray, peterzach liked this post
  22. #13
    1K Club - QQ Shooting Star 4-earredwonder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    2,468
    Points
    8,756
    Level
    63
    Level completed: 2%, Points required for next Level: 294
    Overall activity: 81.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    The Night Siren is an easy 10 for me. A mini masterpiece. Hackett has outdone himself and the recording and sophisticated discrete use of the surrounds is a far cry from the underwhelming surround mix of Wolflight.

    Highest Recommendation.

  23. Thanks peterzach thanked for this post
    Likes peterzach, Snood, Robert van Diggele liked this post
  24. #14
    A.K.A. - GOS GOS's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Central Illinois
    Posts
    6,403
    Points
    37,570
    Level
    100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.9%
    Achievements:
    OverdriveSocialVeteran25000 Experience Points
    Awards:
    Activity Award
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    I like it too, but to be quite honest - to my ears the general fidelity sounds a little "murky". Does that make any sense?

  25. Thanks rtbluray thanked for this post
    Likes rtbluray, Snood liked this post
  26. #15
    600 Club - QQ All Star marpow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2015
    Location
    San Mateo CA
    Posts
    684
    Points
    4,817
    Level
    44
    Level completed: 34%, Points required for next Level: 133
    Overall activity: 78.0%
    Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsSocial1 year registered
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Quote Originally Posted by GOS View Post
    I like it too, but to be quite honest - to my ears the general fidelity sounds a little "murky". Does that make any sense?
    Mine arrives sometime tomorrow, Sunday, I will look for the murky sound.

  27. Likes GOS, rtbluray, Snood liked this post
  28. #16
    Selber! IMachine's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Duesseldorf, Germany
    Posts
    1,269
    Points
    16,050
    Level
    81
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 300
    Overall activity: 3.0%
    Achievements:
    Created Album picturesOverdriveSocial10000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    There is a little too much bass in the mix.
    I have to turn down my sub.
    The ultimate lows are not mixed very well.
    Beside that, it is a great disc.
    One day at a time!
    (331 DVD-Audios, 477 Multichannel-SACDs, 52 Stereo-SACDs, 28 Blu-Ray-Audio, 116 Audio-DVD/DTS-CDs)

  29. Likes GOS, rtbluray, Robert van Diggele, Snood liked this post
  30. #17
    New Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    3
    Points
    3,341
    Level
    35
    Level completed: 94%, Points required for next Level: 9
    Overall activity: 2.0%
    Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    The Night Siren is definitely an improvement over Wolflight musically, but it's disappointing that after hearing what Steven Wilson was able to do with his earlier releases in surround, Mr. Hackett still doesn't seem interested in or able to apply the same quality 5.1 mixing to his newer material. On my system which works really well for surround music, the bass in the The Night Siren mix is not only too loud - it also sounds muffled and congested. Unfortunately, it just doesn't sound right and is not truly deep; once you notice it, it really detracts from the listening experience. Also, I don't think anyone should have to tweak their system just to get a decent listening experience out of a surround release. Fortunately, the regular and hi-rez stereo tracks don't have this bass problem and I actually prefer listening to them in pseudo surround mode. Although better than Wolflight, I'm not sure I would recommend the surround version of The Night Siren and will have to think hard about purchasing another one from Mr. Hackett in the future. You have to ask yourself which is worse: a surround mix that brings NOTHING interesting to the listening experience (Wolflight) OR a surround mix that actively detracts from the experience? In my opinion, neither is worth paying a premium price for.

  31. Likes Snood, GOS, JanBakker, IMachine liked this post
  32. #18
    700 Club - QQ All Star Spock's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Location
    Sandefjord, Norway
    Posts
    768
    Points
    2,906
    Level
    33
    Level completed: 4%, Points required for next Level: 144
    Overall activity: 40.0%
    Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsSocial1 year registered
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    No problem with bass/sub on my system - rather think it's great.

    But the recording is not as crisp and detailed as it could be - but I like it a lot.

    Edit: But his Genesis Revisited: Live at Royal Albert Hall - that one is a little bass heavy

  33. Thanks rtbluray thanked for this post
    Likes rtbluray liked this post
  34. #19
    1K Club - QQ Shooting Star 4-earredwonder's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    2,468
    Points
    8,756
    Level
    63
    Level completed: 2%, Points required for next Level: 294
    Overall activity: 81.0%
    Achievements:
    Veteran5000 Experience PointsOverdrive
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Quote Originally Posted by srbjab View Post
    The Night Siren is definitely an improvement over Wolflight musically, but it's disappointing that after hearing what Steven Wilson was able to do with his earlier releases in surround, Mr. Hackett still doesn't seem interested in or able to apply the same quality 5.1 mixing to his newer material. On my system which works really well for surround music, the bass in the The Night Siren mix is not only too loud - it also sounds muffled and congested. Unfortunately, it just doesn't sound right and is not truly deep; once you notice it, it really detracts from the listening experience. Also, I don't think anyone should have to tweak their system just to get a decent listening experience out of a surround release. Fortunately, the regular and hi-rez stereo tracks don't have this bass problem and I actually prefer listening to them in pseudo surround mode. Although better than Wolflight, I'm not sure I would recommend the surround version of The Night Siren and will have to think hard about purchasing another one from Mr. Hackett in the future. You have to ask yourself which is worse: a surround mix that brings NOTHING interesting to the listening experience (Wolflight) OR a surround mix that actively detracts from the experience? In my opinion, neither is worth paying a premium price for.
    Sorry, I totally disagree with you on the surround quality of The Night Siren. I have full range speakers front and rear and a 2000 Watt dual sub. While I absolutely agree that Wolflight was a travesty in terms of [lack of] surround, I think the surround involvement on Night Siren is perfect. It's not ping pongy at all but rather understated and applied at just the right moments. I thought, musically, it was Hackett's best album in years.

    While my system is capable of producing prodigious amounts of bass [sans EQ], especially from my Meridian 800 DVD~A player, I did apply a +5 bass boost to Night Siren resulting in a much fuller sound all around.

    And naturally, when you do play Siren in hi res stereo, all the bass and surround elements are ported 'exclusively' to the front speakers resulting in that fuller, rounder sound.

  35. #20
    1K Club - QQ Shooting Star colsky's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Chelmsford, England
    Posts
    1,071
    Points
    7,006
    Level
    55
    Level completed: 28%, Points required for next Level: 144
    Overall activity: 11.0%
    Achievements:
    Social5000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Post Thanks / Like

    Default Re: the night siren-steve hackett

    Quote Originally Posted by srbjab View Post
    The Night Siren is definitely an improvement over Wolflight musically, but it's disappointing that after hearing what Steven Wilson was able to do with his earlier releases in surround, Mr. Hackett still doesn't seem interested in or able to apply the same quality 5.1 mixing to his newer material. On my system which works really well for surround music, the bass in the The Night Siren mix is not only too loud - it also sounds muffled and congested. Unfortunately, it just doesn't sound right and is not truly deep; once you notice it, it really detracts from the listening experience. Also, I don't think anyone should have to tweak their system just to get a decent listening experience out of a surround release. Fortunately, the regular and hi-rez stereo tracks don't have this bass problem and I actually prefer listening to them in pseudo surround mode. Although better than Wolflight, I'm not sure I would recommend the surround version of The Night Siren and will have to think hard about purchasing another one from Mr. Hackett in the future. You have to ask yourself which is worse: a surround mix that brings NOTHING interesting to the listening experience (Wolflight) OR a surround mix that actively detracts from the experience? In my opinion, neither is worth paying a premium price for.
    I also don't agree with you on the general surround quality of this disc, I think its pretty good, interesting in places, and definitely adds to the mix. But I do kind of agree about the sound of the bass not being ultra clear. Looking through the credits, I see that no-one is credited with playing bass guitar (I was disappointed with the absence of Nick Beggs on the album), so I wonder if the bass is all programmed, which might explain the odd bass sound.

  36. Thanks rtbluray thanked for this post
    Likes rtbluray, svengaleekie liked this post

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •