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    Does anyone know if this is a legit 5.1 reissue? If it is how does it sound?



    "Carole King - Tapestry SACD"

    Limited Numbered Edition (First 1000 pressings!!!)

    DSD Multi-Channel & Stereo Super Audio CD

    ***Please note that this "Single Layer" SACD requires an SACD player for playback. This will NOT be playable on regular CD player.***

    Made in E.U.

    Released by Sony Music Entertainment in 2017

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    A link to where you found this info would be helpful...


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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carole-King-...UAAOSwCU1YqvjE


    Looks like a March release date here. Question is moot

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    Default Re: Carol King Tapestry 5.1 (2017)

    Quote Originally Posted by jsulzinger View Post
    Identical to the original SONY single layered multichannel SACD replete with the three bonus tracks. Unless it's sonically superior, doubt if I'll double dip. For those who don't own the original SACD, worth a purchase.

    ImportCD is also showing a release date of MARCH 3RD: http://www.importcds.com/tapestry-si.../5099749318069

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    Did not see multi channel in the description http://www.importcds.com/tapestry-si.../5099749318069

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    Quote Originally Posted by ress4278 View Post
    Did not see multi channel in the description http://www.importcds.com/tapestry-si.../5099749318069
    That's a pretty feeble preliminary description, lacking details or even an image of the actual item. I realize it's an 'import' but that's all the more reason to have a good description at those prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timbre4 View Post
    That's a pretty feeble preliminary description, lacking details or even an image of the actual item. I realize it's an 'import' but that's all the more reason to have a good description at those prices.
    Agreed. And I wouldn't purchase unless it's confirmed that it is indeed multichannel. I did check out HRAudio.net and CDJapan and neither lists this upcoming release.

    But again, SONY hasn't produced any single layered SACDs since way back in the early 00's so perhaps they're competing with Universal's single layered SHM~SACDs.

    As bmoura pointed out: the mch stickers on the HK import of Tapestry [displayed in the AmazonUS listing] sport the original 2000 ones so unless it's absolutely confirmed it is a single layered mch SACD, BUYER BEWARE!

    It would also be desirable to know whether it's a NEW DSD remaster from the original analogue tapes or the original 2000 DSD remaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsulzinger View Post
    The Amazon listing has an image of the back of the packaging indicating multichannel in addition to the sticker on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LennonCobain View Post
    The Amazon listing has an image of the back of the packaging indicating multichannel in addition to the sticker on the front.
    I must admit, the photo looks like it came from 2000. I have an original 2.0 sacd in cardboard sleeve, hybid-
    confused as to why it's only hybrid. anyone get it yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leevitalone1 View Post
    I must admit, the photo looks like it came from 2000. I have an original 2.0 sacd in cardboard sleeve, hybid-
    confused as to why it's only hybrid. anyone get it yet?
    I took a chance on this and it's on its way from ImportCD. Will let you know hopefully by the end of the week.

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    Now I am really confused! I looked at Amazon site and in comments one poster is discussing it in 5.1 from 2002?? Is it me-again?
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    I am very suspicious that this is an official Sony release. On eBay there are other Sony SACDs that are numbered such as Celine Dion's greatest hits and Billy Joel's The Stranger which recently surfaced. Has Sony Music ever issued limited edition numbered releases? I am not aware of any such cases.

    The font used to mark the number just seems too generic for lack of a better description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LennonCobain View Post
    I am very suspicious that this is an official Sony release. On eBay there are other Sony SACDs that are numbered such as Celine Dion's greatest hits and Billy Joel's The Stranger which recently surfaced. Has Sony Music ever issued limited edition numbered releases? I am not aware of any such cases.

    The font used to mark the number just seems too generic for lack of a better description.
    I still cannot fathom to this day why these reissue companies are so damn secretive about their hi res releases, including Audio Fidelity. These are, after all, 'specialized' titles and why they cannot state upon pre~announcement/pre~order PRECISELY what we are getting for our hard~earned $$$$. Checked again over at HRAudio.net and they have NO listing for ANY of the pre~announced HK SONY SACDs. Are they Stereo, single~layered Stereo/Multi.....Are they DSD mastered from old masters or new DSD masterings done in 2016~2017?

    It's not as though these are mass produced items........they are, after all, speciality items.

    Frankly, all this secrecy for these new SACDs is utter BULLSHIT and serves NO purpose other than to confuse potential buyers. Enough, already! And this conundrum extends to DVD~A/DVD~V releases which are sometimes mislabeled. Are they MLP DVD~As or DTS/DD?

    Perhaps we need a Wikileaks forum just for new Hi Res releases!!!!!!!!! http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/tNsLYBOfyQY/maxresdefault.jpg

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    Default Re: Carol King Tapestry 5.1 (2017)

    I just received this and it is indeed 5.1. I have nothing to compare it to, as the last time I purchased this was a Q8 tape in the 70's (with the awful reverb).
    It sounds great and it probably is the same mix as the previous SACD.

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    So, based on post saying it's multi-channel. I ordered a copy from ImportCD (on backorder). Came to $33 shipped. I don't own this, so an easy purchase for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bnyhof View Post
    I just received this and it is indeed 5.1. I have nothing to compare it to, as the last time I purchased this was a Q8 tape in the 70's (with the awful reverb).
    It sounds great and it probably is the same mix as the previous SACD.

    tapestry_0002.jpg
    Thanks for this post. Without it (and some helpful commentary on the album's thread on the QQ forum) I don't think I'd have pulled the trigger. I'm curious, though: your image indicates stereo and 5.1, as opposed to importCDs' image which specifies single-layer multi-channel. Either way, I'm looking forward to filling this inexplicable gap on my heavily "vintage singer-songwriter" shelf.

    Now the wait to find out how long importcds has it on backorder. I've never pre-/backordered from them so I'll find out soon whether they charge upon order or upon shipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IronWaffle View Post
    I'm curious, though: your image indicates stereo and 5.1, as opposed to importCDs' image which specifies single-layer multi-channel..
    No CD layer but both stereo and multichannel on SACD layer.

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    Man, I hope it's a new 5.1 mix because the previously issued 5.1 SACD is pretty boring. It's pretty much double stereo with ever so slight differences.
    The voices in my head come from Right Rear only!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q-Eight View Post
    Man, I hope it's a new 5.1 mix because the previously issued 5.1 SACD is pretty boring. It's pretty much double stereo with ever so slight differences.
    I totally agree......ever so slight use of surrounds but I wouldn't bet on it since I think SONY is just re~releasing the existing masters to make a few of those titles available that have long been OOP.

    I should think if it was a new remix they'd indicate that somewhere on the disc.

    Surprisingly, since this album was remixed during that golden age of aggressive quadraphonic mixing (and panning), perhaps either Carole King or producer Lou Adler wanted the remix to be subtle. Although I've never heard it, the QUAD remix of Carole King's MUSIC is alleged to be double stereo.

    What I do wish SONY HK would release on single layered multichannel/stereo SACD is Janis Ian's Between the Lines although it was never released on hi res physical disc before.

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    It's actually the Q8 of Tapestry that's double-stereo, the quad mix of Music is really good and definitely discrete. In fact, the LP sleeve of the QS vinyl release shows quad instrument positions on it:

    music.jpg

    And Sansui used the Japanese release of the album, which I believe was one of the first QS encoded LP's on the market, to promote their quad system, as seen in this May 1972 issue of Billboard.

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    It's a shame the Q8 of Tapestry was faked, but I think the other three Carole King Q8's are real. I have Fantasy, and it definitely is, and from what I understand Rhymes and Reasons is as well.

    I don't mind the 5.1 even though it's not the most aggressive mix. It's a singer-songwriter playing piano with a small backing band, I'm not really expecting bongo fury out of the right rear speaker or anything.

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    The Carole King Q8's are definitely an oddity.

    Tapestry might as well be double-stereo. *IF* it truly comes from the multitrack and is discrete, it is the LEAST adventurous mix ever.
    To my ears, it sounds double-stereo with some kind of compression or hard EQ'ing going on in the rear channels. Anything that appears up front is in the back, though maybe at slightly altered volume. It's also mirrored so that if something appears in FR, it also appears in BR.

    Music is sure trying to be discrete. I believe it is, and the intention is to envelope you into the music, but it's done in such a fake, 1970's way. I think the intention was to try and surround the listener in the instruments but I don't believe the album was recorded with that in mind. So, rather than record a set of congas with four microphones on four tracks to capture all the subtle ambience, it might've been recorded on two, so to create two additional tracks of congas, they use EQ, compression, delay and echo to do so. Great idea on paper, not so much in practice.

    Rhymes & Reasons is probably the best of all four albums, but that's not to say it's THE BEST. The mix suits the music. Carole is more up front on this one, but her vocals still follow up in the rear at a slightly lower volume and with some tasteful echo. Not four-corner discrete, but you can definitely pick out where elements are supposed to be placed in the area around you.

    Fantasy is probably the most discrete and might even be trying to go for four-corner, Columbia style. I had to double check to make sure my back speakers were on though as the rear channels are very quiet. It's also a very front-heavy mix and there's definite use of the hard FL and FR positions.
    The opening track seems a little unusual to me where it has Carole up front, her piano up front. These follow in the rear at very low volume. Bass in Front Center, Guitar hard Left and Conga hard right. There is NO TRACE of bass, guitar or conga in the rear.
    The voices in my head come from Right Rear only!

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    That old MC SACDs from Sony are being reissued at all - plus the fact that Sony Japan have new SACD offerings with quad from the 70s is news to be excited about. Couldn't have come a second too soon.

    That is unless HK stuff is all pirated which I don't think it is.

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    If this is 5.1 release then there may be two others at Amazon: Celine Dion: All the Way and Billy Joel: The Stranger (look at the back side of the cd cover and you will see that it's stereo and multi-ch.

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    Default Re: Carol King Tapestry 5.1 (2017)

    Looks like a straight repressing of the single-layer SACD from 15 years ago. As others have said, get it if you don't have it already.

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