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    The inclusion of images representing Abraxas and Caravanserai is logical because the bulk of the music they played on Lotus comes from those albums.


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    Order Update: We Shipped Your Order Today:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Which_One_Is_Pink View Post
    Order Update: We Shipped Your Order Today:

    Santana/Lotus [Cardboard Sleeve (mini LP)] Complete Edition - HYBRID 4.0 - [Limited Release]Complete Edition - HYBRID 4.0 - [Limited Release]
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    Yes, the Santana Lotus Complete Edition Surround SACDs are on their way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    Yes, the Santana Lotus Complete Edition Surround SACDs are on their way!
    Do I hear an echo in the room? Yes, it's on its way. Cannot wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    Do I hear an echo in the room? Yes, it's on its way. Cannot wait!
    Well, it is worth repeating
    "Some people are like Slinkies. They have no practical use whatsoever, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Which_One_Is_Pink View Post
    Well, it is worth repeating
    And watching the tracking number....

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    Default Re: Santana Lotus: Complete Edition in SACD Surround Sound and DSD 256 Stereo Downloa

    Cover.jpg

    Lotus Legend: Live In Japan has arrived on SACD Surround Sound disc.

    Finally a chance to hear the legendary Lotus concert in 4 Channel Discrete Surround Sound.
    Along with a very thick and photo packed 3 SACD package.

    Another fine job from the team at Sony Japan.
    They definitely have brought the live concert experience to the home.

    A Big Thumbs up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeMonaco View Post
    Pre-ordered, can't wait.
    Arrived today! It's a very thick package of stuff...lots of goodies. Here's a few pics...enjoy!
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    I know detailed reviews will come in eventually but I'm really curious as to whether the mix is actually 4-corner discrete (like the other Santana quads) or a concert-hall like ambient presentation. I heard the SQ LP doesn't have much separation in other threads so can anyone definitively comment on what the discrete mix is actually like?

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    That pesky elephant in the room, damn it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    Cover.jpg

    Lotus Legend: Live In Japan has arrived on SACD Surround Sound disc.

    Finally a chance to hear the legendary Lotus concert in 4 Channel Discrete Surround Sound.
    Along with a very thick and photo packed 3 SACD package.

    Another fine job from the team at Sony Japan.
    They definitely have brought the live concert experience to the home.

    A Big Thumbs up!

    Drumroll Brian.....so is it really DISCRETE?


    Wonder if SONY will likewise record Santana's 2017 Transmogrify Tour in Japan [4 dates] in surround for an eventual multichannel SACD release....or a UHD 4K Dolby Atmos extravaganza?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjcorne View Post
    I know detailed reviews will come in eventually but I'm really curious as to whether the mix is actually 4-corner discrete (like the other Santana quads) or a concert-hall like ambient presentation. I heard the SQ LP doesn't have much separation in other threads so can anyone definitively comment on what the discrete mix is actually like?
    I'm wondering if it is an SQ decode we have been served up here on the four channels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quicksrt View Post
    That pesky elephant in the room, damn it!
    Didn't hear any elephants on the recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quicksrt View Post
    I'm wondering if it is an SQ decode we have been served up here on the four channels?
    It's definitely not an SQ decode.
    It's from the original 4 Channel recording as Sony Japan said when they announced the Lotus Complete Edition Surround SACD.

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    Does anyone know where disc two is supposed to be? I just received my copy, and I have discs one and three, but I cannot find two. It looks like it's supposed to be slotted in behind the center panel, flanked by discs one and three, but there is nothing in that pocket. I have disassembled the packaging, but I still can't find it...

    EDIT: Okay, it's really looking like I am missing disc two entirely. I really hope I don't have to pay to send this back to Amazon.co.jp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McCrutchy View Post
    Does anyone know where disc two is supposed to be? I just received my copy, and I have discs one and three, but I cannot find two. It looks like it's supposed to be slotted in behind the center panel, flanked by discs one and three, but there is nothing in that pocket. I have disassembled the packaging, but I still can't find it...

    EDIT: Okay, it's really looking like I am missing disc two entirely. I really hope I don't have to pay to send this back to Amazon.co.jp.
    There should be a disc package with one of the 3 SACDs under each tab of the album jacket.
    If you inspect all of the tabs and are missing one of the SACDs, that is definitely time to contact the seller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    There should be a disc package with one of the 3 SACDs under each tab of the album jacket.
    If you inspect all of the tabs and are missing one of the SACDs, that is definitely time to contact the seller.
    Thanks. Now I just have to wait until 7:00 p.m. for their customer service to open. Crossing my fingers that it will go smoothly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmoura View Post
    It's definitely not an SQ decode.
    It's from the original 4 Channel recording as Sony Japan said when they announced the Lotus Complete Edition Surround SACD.
    Well there has been conflicting information given in regards to this album. and the press release was a very rough translation into English. There was room for interpretation especially when Audio Fidelity was unable to acquire the 4-channel mixes after a hard search for them, being told that they don't exist other than in SQ format. Now all of a sudden they did have a 4-chan mix for use on an SACD.

    I guess it's like Beck's "Wired" where there simply was not a usable quad master, until Japan wanted to release it. I'm seeing the pattern clearly now. I get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by quicksrt View Post
    Well there has been conflicting information given in regards to this album. and the press release was a very rough translation into English. There was room for interpretation especially when Audio Fidelity was unable to acquire the 4-channel mixes after a hard search for them, being told that they don't exist other than in SQ format. Now all of a sudden they did have a 4-chan mix for use on an SACD.

    I guess it's like Beck's "Wired" where there simply was not a usable quad master, until Japan wanted to release it. I'm seeing the pattern clearly now.
    But think of the advantage of LOTUS being released as Discrete SACDs with an entire SACD disc [38 minutes] dedicated to tracks not included on the original SQ Vinyl release. That $70 price isn't so steep, after all.

    I'm sure it was ultimately frustrating and somewhat embarrassing when AF couldn't locate those 4 track masters and AP couldn't locate those 4 tracks for WIRED but it all worked out in the end, although for me, I did buy the AF Stereo Lotus and the AP Stereo SACD of Wired, as well.

    Hopefully, LOTUS portends future SANTANA QUAD SACD releases and IMO, no one does it better than the Japanese.

    But I do understand your logic: The Games People Play.......and that won't end anytime too soon. The Music Industry has always been rife with DECEIT!

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    Okay, I was wrong about the time (it was 8:00 p.m.) but I've just had an online chat to receive a replacement and return my copy missing the second disc. The downside is I have to "pay" for the new order, but Amazon already refunded me the full amount of my first order, and the new order should hopefully ship shortly.

    EDIT: Just to be clear, I do have to return the incomplete copy, but Amazon will cover the shipping costs back to them.

    I'm just glad that this wasn't so limited that it was sold out on or before release date. Then I would have been in really hot water!

    I hope nobody else is missing a disc. I know this has happened to others with other releases, but this is the first time I have ever experienced it. I wonder if they had to assemble these by hand because of the delicate and unique nature of the packaging?
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    OK, excuse me for being blunt, but you know if I had this release in my possession I would be straight up on whether this is a ambient MCH or a discrete. There are enough people who have this release in there possession to let us know on the QQ Forum. It takes about 30 seconds to make the call, and then after listening to the 3 discs the owner can dissect it a bit to let us know if it is a worthy release.
    I postponed my release from CDJapan because I added it to the Steve Miller SHM CD stereo cardboard mini LP collection being released April 26. So I will have the MCH SACD of Lotus around the 26th and you can bet I will be letting you know my listening experience as I hated the stereo Lotus from AF, big waste of money.
    Sorry to be rough like this but, cmon, if you have it who cares about everything but the sonic quality, lets hear your experience with the sonic quality of the SACD MCH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpow View Post
    OK, excuse me for being blunt, but you know if I had this release in my possession I would be straight up on whether this is a ambient MCH or a discrete. There are enough people who have this release in there possession to let us know on the QQ Forum. It takes about 30 seconds to make the call, and then after listening to the 3 discs the owner can dissect it a bit to let us know if it is a worthy release.
    I postponed my release from CDJapan because I added it to the Steve Miller SHM CD stereo cardboard mini LP collection being released April 26. So I will have the MCH SACD of Lotus around the 26th and you can bet I will be letting you know my listening experience as I hated the stereo Lotus from AF, big waste of money.
    Sorry to be rough like this but, cmon, if you have it who cares about everything but the sonic quality, lets hear your experience with the sonic quality of the SACD MCH.
    It's discrete ambient MCH! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by quicksrt View Post
    It's discrete ambient MCH! lol
    lol..!
    fwiw I've reluctantly cancelled mine until some QQ members report back on the quality and nature of the surround mix. I can't justify £70+ on a pretty package with marginally better MCh than I can get out of the SQ LPs and the Surround Master. It shouldn't matter though if the Surround mix is lacking and sales of this one to Surround fans are poor as a result of word spreading of a lacklustre mix since sales to Surround devotees are so small as to be insignificant, is what we're told time and again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DuncanS View Post
    Surround: Non-existent! You know where the very quiet audience are at the end of tracks, ........behind you, ............occasionally you hear a bit of high-frequency reverb/echo from a Cymbal or the like in the rears, otherwise its basically a stereo album. So whoever mixed this into Quad back in the day - didn't understand Quad, am I being harsh, I don't think so.
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    2) How are the new extra tracks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4-earredwonder View Post
    But I do understand your logic: The Games People Play.......and that won't end anytime too soon. The Music Industry has always been rife with DECEIT!
    BUT...that doesn't mean you have to accept their policies as your own. You are still a consumer in a country that gives you certain rights. You can't change a bum product somebody sells you, but you CAN demand your money back.

    And, on MY stereo? Eventually "The Games People Play"...fades out.

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