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    5.1 icon Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [SACD]

    OK. I guess I had to eventually put this one in the pile. It's been discussed here to death. The cracks, the AP mix, James Guthrie, etc, etc.

    If you've already posted about the title, and don't feel like going on and on again, just vote. It would be "too easy" to take this one at face value without comparing it to the vaulted 4.0 mix of AP. On the other hand, is it fair to compare it to the AP? Use your own judgement.

    I feel it should be included in our list, so here it is. Have at it!



    :-jon

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban
    OK. I guess I had to eventually put this one in the pile. It's been discussed here to death. The cracks, the AP mix, James Guthrie, etc, etc.
    Said in another post: waste of plastic. MFSL versions have the true stereo mix without the JG remixing, extra bars and so on. AP Quad version is a true mch mix, not the JG remixing which sound excellent in clearness but totally disappointing as mch mix. Super Stereo fits in boomboxes, not in 5.1.
    Unfortunately, the perfect example of how to lose a occasion for a perfect disc.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    I know the general consensus is that the Guthrie SACD mix isn't as adventurous as the Parsons mix, but I happen to like the SACD a lot. Maybe that's due to my liking alternate mixes of recordings, whether mono, stereo, quad, 5.1, what have you. It is very surround and pleasing to listen to, there is a lot of use made of the rear and center channels, if no quad mix had existed this SACD would have floored everyone, it only pales by comparison to the Parsons mix. I do prefer the British SQ mix (having never heard the discrete Q8 mix), but thought that this is a showcase demo of the SACD format, perhaps a compromise to the widest possible audience, so smoother, but still has enough discreteness to make me happy. Without a doubt the best sounding version of the album in terms of range of sound, very Hi Rez, and being 5.1 blows away any stereo version no matter how good it is.
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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Unfortunately, it is impossible for me to be objective about this one, having heard the AP mix first. I do really like the SACD version of "On the Run", but I was really disappointed with the narrow instrument spread of "Time" which to me was a showcase of the AP mix. Again, I can't really be too objective.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    To me, the biggest disappointment is "US and THEM". AP did it perfectly. But, this has all been said before. Do a search........................

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    While the actual mix is a bit boring, Doug Sax mastering is great. You can crank it and it never grates on the ears. I give it a 7
    Getting it done in 5.1 !!!

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban
    To me, the biggest disappointment is "US and THEM". AP did it perfectly. But, this has all been said before. Do a search........................
    I will agree with this statement totally. US and THEM was perfect on the Q8, my favorite song, with the vocals echoing around the speakers. But the SACD over all has a good sound, but being used to the Q8 version for many years, i just don't hardly ever pull out the SACD version to listen to, almost always the Q8 version. But i did give the SACD an 8, not bad.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Bottom line: Don't like it, don't play it.

    Can't even really explain why, except it just isn't pleasant to listen to.

    Unfortunately, it's such an important release that if you should probably spend the fifteen bucks and get it anyway.

    5, mostly for historical reasons.

    And yes, I did like the AP version better.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    I would love to hear the AP mix....
    but how does one find a cdr of that mix in DTS??

    p.s. I really like the SACD

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    The problem with the poll is that it assigns only one number.

    Just to start off with, each disc has more than one version (track is an inaccurate term).

    For example, on this disc, the stereo redbook is the worst yet (the UK Harvest CD made in Japan is the best redbook, IMHO).

    The multichannel new mix, on the other hand, is the best sounding version of this album in audiophile terms, although I have all the same misgivings as everyone else on this Forum, about the mix itself.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by kstuart
    For example, on this disc, the stereo redbook is the worst yet (the UK Harvest CD made in Japan is the best redbook, IMHO).
    I have it, bought back in 1984 (it was *really* twenty years ago??? i'm gettin' older...) and IMHO the MFSL gold version (mine is UD1) is better than the Japanese UK.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by winopener
    Said in another post: waste of plastic. MFSL versions have the true stereo mix without the JG remixing,
    The two-channel mix is not a remix.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by ssully
    The two-channel mix is not a remix.
    On all hi-rez discs, SACD and DVD-A,
    the two-channel mix is NEVER a remix.

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    Default Re: WE 9/19/2004 [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon

    Quote Originally Posted by Bidkat
    On all hi-rez discs, SACD and DVD-A,
    the two-channel mix is NEVER a remix.

    That's mostly been my experience too, but it's not a requirement. Word is , for example, that the two-channel version on the upcoming Genesis 'Lamb Lies Down on Broadway' SACD will be a remix. God knows why. IIRC Deutsche Grammaphone's SACD release of the Carlos Kleiber 'Beethoven 5 & 7) has a remixed two-channel version as well.

    I have seen this claim that the DSotM two-channel is a remix, before online, but as best I can tell from what Guthrie has said, from waht been reported about the SACD in the audio press, and from my own listening, it simply isnt'. It's just a new remastering of the original master tapes.

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    Default Re: [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [42]

    With these discs, the stereo is not of much interest to me, so I won't rate the merits(or lack of same)of that mix...but a '9' for the new mix, it's still a great listen, even if, yes, we would have preferred the Quad we've all gotten used to over the years.

    As for the Crest cracking...did snag a non-Crest recently, so I'm covered. Which is as well, since the original I bought is really delicate-looking!

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    Default Re: [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [48]

    After hearing the original AP mix, I didn't have much hope for this one and I was right. Some parts are good others just miss the mark. I give it a 9 for the music and a 6 for the mix. So I guess that would be a 7 overall.

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    Default Re: [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [48]

    I gave it an 8. The Guthrie surround mix, on its own, would probably elicit a 10 score from me. Ah, but I don't live in a vacuum... the spectacular AP mix cannot be ignored. The two surround mixes, in my mind, are two interpretations of the same work. In some ways I prefer them both, but in the final analysis, AP gets the 10 and Guthrie gets an 8.

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    Default Re: [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [48]

    How many different surround mixes of DSOTM are there? 2 or 3?

    I always assumed the US Capitol Q8 had the same mix as the UK EMI SQ disc, and that both were the vaunted 1975 Alan Parsons one. I haven't heard the Q8 since the 70's, so can't compare them.

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    Default Re: [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [50]

    Worth having. To an extent. If you've not heard the AP mix, because it's the better by an embarassingly wide margin. But not everyone can have access to that, (I'm trying to be objective here. Is it woking?!) so...
    The redbook layer on the SACD has been fooled with, possibly to make the high-res stereo layer sound better. And it does. But still no better than the 20th Anniversary remaster on CD. Oh dear. And it looses that wonderfully tight bass that ye olde, vilified 16 bit redbook does so well.
    The 5.1 mix? Much better than the stereo layers, and if we're being honest, if you hadn't heard the AP mix, you'd be a happy person. But I have. And I'm not.

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    Default Re: [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [52]

    Amazing opinions here. I gave it a ten before reading the post.

    I don't have the advantage of having experienced anything other than the SACD, and the "redbook" CD.

    The sound of the footsteps at the end of "Breathe", running around the five speakers convinced me that this was well worth buying, six months before I had a player to hear it on.

    I love it.
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    Default Re: [SACD]: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [52]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob R
    Amazing opinions here. I gave it a ten before reading the post.


    I love it.
    I voted before reading these posts as well.

    This is the measuring stick by which I measure multichannel music. Odviously I am in the minority on that lil thought.

    That said I have never knowingly listened to the AP version. I guess ignorance is bliss.

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    Default DSOM: SACD vs Quad 4.0 vs 2 CH

    I finally had a chance to sit down and compare the Allan Parsons mix (Quad 4.0 “DTS” & 2 CH redbook CD) vs the James Guthrie 5.1 surround mix on the SACD.

    Some scattered thoughts as I listen:

    The running footsteps in “On the Run” were distinctive and strong in all four speakers as they ran from RF to RR to LR to LF (they fade in the LF) on the SACD, they fade in the LR and are barely present by the time they arrived at the LF.

    The wonderful vocals in “The Great Gig in the Sky” by Clare Torry were a little more harsh on the Quad, but I swear I could hear the breath in her chest, rise and fall as she sang. Her voice was from “all over my head” vs “out across the front” on the SACD.

    When she drops down to say “Who said I wasn’t afraid of dying?”, it was much more distinctive in the Quad version.

    Drums on “Time” were four corners equal (more like the speakers were mounted on the corners of a four poster bed) with some nice diagonal interplay on the Quad, vs the rears coming in and out on the SACD - they are more “front heavy” here.

    The opening vocals on “Money” seem weak or strained on the SACD where they were stronger (and the same) on 2 CH and the Quad versions.

    I agree that the SACD version of “Us and Them” is like tepid water compared to the strong and distinctive AP mix. The SVS sub was present and strong in all three formats.

    Overall, I have to give the nod to the Quad vs the SACD. Although the James Guthrie 5.1 mix is no slouch.

    I like them all.

    Many thanks to a “music friend” for the opportunity to compare them.
    Last edited by Bob R; 12-11-2004 at 04:25 PM.
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    Default Re: DSOM: SACD vs Quad 4.0 vs 2 CH

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob R
    I agree that the SACD version of “Us and Them” is like tepid water compared to the strong and distinctive AP mix.
    Yep. That's the track to use if you really want to compare the two versions.

    Only the AP mix is immersive, capturing the dreamlike nature of the song (I've always pictured a light rain falling over the battle on some green English countryside). It seems that Guthrie really doesn't understand very well the mood of the track, and that's kind of sad.

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    Default Re: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [SACD]

    I had heard the Alan Parsons quad mix before, but I decided to give this one a (fair) chance. I have been listening through it for a couple of times now.
    To start with the positive remarks, the sonic quality is very good. The new surround mixes of On the run and Any colour you like are very well done. Brain Damage and Money are just OK, the rest is just so so in terms of surround.
    There are many missed opportunities, the already mentioned echoes on Us and Them (although the saxophone is nicer here), why not a bit of Claire Tory's voice in the Center to help her from being overwhelmed by the band, why so afraid of placing instruments in the back?
    So a 9+ for sonics and content, 7 for the 5.1 mix (don't bother with the CDDA layer :-)

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    Default Re: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon [SACD]

    Ok I've only heard the SACD mix. I found it was good, but did not bring new life to something I have heard too much. I wish it did. some other disc have done this, this is not one of them.

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