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    Default Washington, Grover - WINELIGHT [DVD-A/SACD]

    Please post your thoughts and comments on this 5.1 release from Grover Washington, "Winelight", mixed for 5.1 by Elliot Scheiner, originally available from Elektra on DVD-A (March 2002), and later released by Audio Fidelity as an SACD in February 2015.

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    Default Re: WE 11/21/2004 [DVD-A]: Grover Washington's WINELIGHT

    A guilty pleasure! What can I say, I love the smooooth jazz experience every once in a while, and for the genre, it doesn't get any better than this! Also, I LOVE the super-discrete presentation. However, the soundfield is a bit disconcerting at times... coulda been a 10, but I'll have to settle for 9.

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    Default Re: WE 11/21/2004 [DVD-A]: Grover Washington's WINELIGHT

    Quote Originally Posted by Cai Campbell
    A guilty pleasure! What can I say, I love the smooooth jazz experience every once in a while, and for the genre, it doesn't get any better than this! Also, I LOVE the super-discrete presentation. However, the soundfield is a bit disconcerting at times... coulda been a 10, but I'll have to settle for 9.
    Voted 9 as well. Great smooth jazz disc and for this kind of music it doesn't get any better.

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    Great Relaxing Smooth Jazz, Commercial Jazz or Whatever you wanna be calling this type of Jazz Music. I always liked Grover's early stuff and the collaboration he did with Bill Withers "Two Of Us". This album sounds great in Surround and I rated it at 9. It uses all channels wisely and sounds full and rich. A nice album to relax to when you fell like something a little mellow.

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    Had the vinyl since its December 1980 release, very familiar with it. Brings back memories of my first job in Compton, CA. (uccgh) Never a favorite album, but I enjoy the genre.

    That said, the surround sound is terrific. As Cai noted, the "super-discrete" presentation (generally my preference anyway) works very well here. One of the most effective uses of surround is the isolation of subtle percussion in rears (also done effectively in Captain Fantastic's title track and Honky Cat). It's not only dramatic, but simply allows you to hear with a clarity not possible in two-channel.

    An 8 for me.

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    Very clean and clear. Great content. Get a copy if you like jazz sax.
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    Not my favorite genre, but a great sounding surround disc. I find that it's a good one to put on when I have some work to do and aren't listening intently. A 9.

    Very hard to find these days.

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    Beautiful, beautiful job on the mix. Especially on the title track, where the intro just pops at you from all four corners... lovely work. I'm not a fan of "smoove jazzz", but Grover predates that genre, from a time when jazz and soul were very much intertwined, and so his work is very accessible to me. Plus he blows a mean axe!
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    Elliott Schiener did the mix on this, and on many of the Acura TL demo discs, he introduces this track by doing a track by track introduction. Just like the old quad demo's, you get "Here's the jazz guitar in the front left, now some percussion in the rear right" as he plays each track individually building up to the full, 5.1 surround mix. It's very cool!!
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    Very nice sound and mix, also the collaboration with Ralph McDonald and Bill Withers spawned the Grammy winning hit "Two of Us".

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    "Just the two of us" has probably the best kick drum EQ of any album. It really stands out in high rez.

    Love the whole album. Get it if you can!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ick View Post
    "Just the two of us" has probably the best kick drum EQ of any album.
    The epitome of the "wet" kick sound popularized in the late 70's.
    Don't know who invented it -- I'd guess that engineer who worked for Doug Sax that loved close-miking drums.

    Too bad, like all good things, it went out with the times.

    OTOH, I could really do without the obnoxious snap-bass.

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    One of my most commonly played discs. Gorgeous fidelity, discrete in just the right places. Short, but very sweet. Scheiner strikes again! A 10!

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    A "10".. all the way..!!

    If I could be buried with this DVDA I would.

    Absolute demo material mix, the fidelity is incredible too!

    I used this recently to help calibrate a new 5.1 system for someone, they loved it and were only sad it's now so hard to get for sensible money!

    Firmly in my Top 10 All-Time surround music discs! For all-time! Ever!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    A "10".. all the way..!!

    If I could be buried with this DVDA I would.

    Absolute demo material mix, the fidelity is incredible too!

    .....
    You need to make it official in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by LizardKing View Post
    You need to make it official in this thread

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    Default Re: Washington, Grover WINELIGHT [DVD-A]

    Actually, the Winelight DVD-A is still among the cheaper ones! Got it for ~40 Euros in March (well my brother and sister gave it to me as a belated xmas present), and it's currently on amazon.com for 65 bucks. Very beautiful album, had it on CD for quite a while and am really glad about this update, not just for the great sonics and mix (Scheiner! ahh), but also for the fact that "Just the two of us" was missing a few bars in the middle (before the instrumental break) on my CD version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bright Side View Post
    Actually, the Winelight DVD-A is still among the cheaper ones! Got it for ~40 Euros in March (well my brother and sister gave it to me as a belated xmas present), and it's currently on amazon.com for 65 bucks. Very beautiful album, had it on CD for quite a while and am really glad about this update, not just for the great sonics and mix (Scheiner! ahh), but also for the fact that "Just the two of us" was missing a few bars in the middle (before the instrumental break) on my CD version.
    very true but I'm in jolly old England ya see, where the Winelight DVDA seldom comes up cheap.

    there are 3 copies of the Winelight DVDA on Amazon UK right now, priced at a whopping 83.75, 83.76 and 226.83.
    (that works out at anywhere between $129.70 and $351.29).

    Plus I didn't want my friends' first experience of buying into Multichannel music to be a potentially fraught import purchase with possible customs charges/hassles, etc...

    So, I steered her towards the more readily available (all 4 of them..!!) high-res MC SACDs/DVDA/V's in this country, that you can pick up in HMV, etc.

    Those, for the record, are Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon SACD, Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms SACD, Jeff Waynes' The War of the Worlds SACD and Queen's A Night at the Opera DVD-V .
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    Default Re: Washington, Grover WINELIGHT [DVD-A]

    I've omitted to mention, i didn't recommend the also readily-available King Crimson DVDA's or Steven Wilson-related stuff to my friend, nor the recent Who/Tull box sets, or the ELO/Freehand Quads as none of that music is her thing.
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    Interesting 'Winelight' tidbit: The song "In the Name of Love" from this album was modified by removing most of Grover's Sax and replacing it with a Bill Withers vocal, then released by Ralph MacDonald - who played on the Winelight album.

    Never knew that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    very true but I'm in jolly old England ya see, where the Winelight DVDA seldom comes up cheap.

    there are 3 copies of the Winelight DVDA on Amazon UK right now, priced at a whopping 83.75, 83.76 and 226.83.
    (that works out at anywhere between $129.70 and $351.29).

    Plus I didn't want my friends' first experience of buying into Multichannel music to be a potentially fraught import purchase with possible customs charges/hassles, etc...

    So, I steered her towards the more readily available (all 4 of them..!!) high-res MC SACDs/DVDA/V's in this country, that you can pick up in HMV, etc.

    Those, for the record, are Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon SACD, Dire Straits' Brothers in Arms SACD, Jeff Waynes' The War of the Worlds SACD and Queen's A Night at the Opera DVD-V .
    It's imperative that you start the newbie in the right direction...does she like Elton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint Eastwood View Post
    It's imperative that you start the newbie in the right direction...does she like Elton?
    Oh yes she does like EJ! (Why didn't I think of that!? D'OH!) Come to think of it she likes Clapton too and Slowhand's still available..

    ...and soon she can get the Winelight 5.1 at retail (well, online for a decent price at least!) courtesy of AF and their wondrous new Surround SACD programme! Yeay!
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    I gave this one a spin again today given the buzz, and it sounded better than ever. Funny how some discs just hit the spot at times, then again I like Mr.Bill Withers' voice.

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    Can anyone do a spectrum analysis of the SACD in 96K to see if it's real Hi Rez????
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    Most of you guys know I am more a DVD-A guy than an SACD guy, mostly for 2 reasons. 1, I have DVD-A in the car, and 2, DVD-A's can be ripped to a PC and the files are unscathed. So, it is with somewhat an awkward amazement that I find that the SACD of this album and mix sounds simply better than the DVD-A.

    It's hard to say why, but I can't wait for others to get this, play it, and compare it to the DVD-A. Mostly to see if I am losing my mind!
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