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    Nick! Nick! Quad First! Speak up!

    I asked him about it before and he said he didn't have a copy, but had heard that it existed.

    The first Boston album would be absolutely killer as a surround-sound release, if left in capable hands. Just please don't leave the job to Tom Scholz, or we won't see it until 2026! Wait a minute... maybe that's why we haven't seen it yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cai Campbell
    Nick! Nick! Quad First! Speak up!

    The first Boston album would be absolutely killer as a surround-sound release, if left in capable hands. Just please don't leave the job to Tom Scholz, or we won't see it until 2026! Wait a minute... maybe that's why we haven't seen it yet...
    I asked him about it before and he said he didn't have a copy, but had heard that it existed.

    Nick has a pile of things on lp that are not gonna be the ticket. This would be on a reel and i asked Nick about these many many years ago. For some reason, i don't think he heard these reels. Unless we have real quiet lurker, these could be in a box that, someone knows nothing. Sargent Schultz syle or just does not know what they have--my guess is they have no clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadtrade
    I asked him about it before and he said he didn't have a copy, but had heard that it existed.

    Nick has a pile of things on lp that are not gonna be the ticket. This would be on a reel and i asked Nick about these many many years ago. For some reason, i don't think he heard these reels. Unless we have real quiet lurker, these could be in a box that, someone knows nothing. Sargent Schultz syle or just does not know what they have--my guess is they have no clue.
    I do not know why, but the rumours always went back to Michael Robin, who died several years ago. The rumours all those years ago, were that around 20-30 multitracks from Columbia, had been heard by folks in the industry, never released, and somehow they became available at a price. Ya gotta remember how few folks could afford a reel to reel all those years ago, and then how many cared (about music, then about quad) after that.(music to many was am radio) People made 3 bucks an hour and a reel was 500. A few of these made it out to folks who cared, probably a few to some who never passed on the knowledge of what they had. Gone. After they passed, given to goodwill or the dump.....
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    I hope when they finally remix the 12 track originals they do a better job than they did with the SQ pressing. Never a fan of SQ - this one sounds okay with one of the lafayette SQ-w units - but with the tate II - there's just too much pumping - and the back channels seem a bit too low.

    I put a wav of it on my ftp site (ONLY for demo and research purposes - not meant as a boot for distribution)

    anyone interested can contact me for the password and login off list bbrent@pipeline.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Brent
    I hope when they finally remix the 12 track originals they do a better job than they did with the SQ pressing. Never a fan of SQ - this one sounds okay with one of the lafayette SQ-w units - but with the tate II - there's just too much pumping - and the back channels seem a bit too low.

    I put a wav of it on my ftp site (ONLY for demo and research purposes - not meant as a boot for distribution)

    anyone interested can contact me for the password and login off list bbrent@pipeline.com
    What are you talking about, what SQ pressing??
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadtrade
    What are you talking about, what SQ pressing??
    What he said. Bill, is there something you know about this? Spill the beans!

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    click on the image (its a 7 meg mp3 file)


    <p align="center"><a href="http://www.weeklybugle.com/music/boston.mp3">
    <img border="0" src="http://www.weeklybugle.com/music/boston.jpg" width="346" height="338"></a></p>

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    This would come out the week my tate is in the shop, wouldn't it. If this is in fact the SQ version, we got to get this to Tab for his software conversion method.

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    its only sq - the real separation is only 3db. the reason the sq-w sounds good is because it blends the back channels without any real pumping, when there's a front center signal. the result is an OK surround effect. I'll wait for a real quad (or 5.1) source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Brent
    its only sq - the real separation is only 3db. the reason the sq-w sounds good is because it blends the back channels without any real pumping, when there's a front center signal. the result is an OK surround effect. I'll wait for a real quad (or 5.1) source.
    Yes, it's only sq......only the legendary sq version. Tab has been experimenting with this software based SQ decoding, which has been having better results with a conversion. Please, please, ask Tab if he wants to do a conversion of this and send him a copy. If not, at least trade with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Brent
    click on the image (its a 7 meg mp3 file)





    Bill what country is this from? What does the back look like. If it is SQ, cut us a copy on cd, encoding will be intact. It isn't hard to determine if it is just stereo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadtrade
    Bill what country is this from? What does the back look like. If it is SQ, cut us a copy on cd, encoding will be intact. It isn't hard to determine if it is just stereo!
    Got it at a flea market around 1980 - cover was a little beat - but the disk was fine. you can download the mp3 by clicking the photo above - or contact me off list and I give you access to my ftp site so you can download the wavs (I put foreplay/longtime and rock and roll band up).

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    how can you tell if something is really SQ - visually I use an osilliscope - when a round pattern appears it indicates a 90 degree phase shift. the other way is to play it through a straight decoder and listen for separation between left and right rear. - this passes both those tests - though until now i thought is was just another import, figured I had missed the US release when the album was current. As you'll hear - its nothing special - which is why I was hoping for a new mix.

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    Holy Crap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by quadtrade
    Bill what country is this from? What does the back look like. If it is SQ, cut us a copy on cd, encoding will be intact. It isn't hard to determine if it is just stereo!
    Language is Latin American......luckily my Italian background helps me understand all type..."Group of the Year.....Platinum Record......Best Band Of The Year (Time Magazine)".

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    <img src="http://www.weeklybugle.com/music/bostonsq.jpg">

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban
    Holy Crap!
    I think im entering the twilight zone.
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    I'd like to believe this is the real deal, but I am very familiar with this album, and I don't detect any mix differences with this and the standard stereo mix. Usually you can tell a remix by at least slight variations with the stereo mix. Also, I would expect a CBS SQ quad mix to be aggressive, which this is most definitely not. It doesn't decode well at all. A wack at it with the software SQ decoding will be the real test.

    I don't claim direct knowlege, but it was my understanding that the quad mix never saw a legitimate release anywhere. I've only heard of the test pressing getting out, maybe just an acetate, and that was in a standard stereo sleeve.

    Bill, I hope you have the real deal, but I really question this album, unfortunately.
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    Wouldn't it be a PEQ?

    One other thing is that the label is one of the '80s style EPIC variations. I don't think the black label with the cursive EPIC logo was used until long after SQ faded away.
    :-jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban
    Wouldn't it be a PEQ?

    One other thing is that the label is one of the '80s style EPIC variations. I don't think the black label with the cursive EPIC logo was used until long after SQ faded away.
    Yeah, that's Thriller era Epic. Boston was on the orange Epic label.
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    well, like I said - I picked it up at a flea market - the number on the album cover is different than the number on the record label. there was no inner sleeve, but the record was in good shape. Played it, was unimpressed and put it on the shelf for 25 years (maybe it was 22 years). That's all I know about it, which is why I put the sound files up. They decode differently that the stereo disk, but it was never anything to get worked up over :-(

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    Actually Bill, I think it's pretty cool! Real or not, it sure is rare, and a quad momento. If it's a fake, it's damn good. I have never seen that one, ever, and I've seen a TON of quad stuff.

    For a flea market find, I think it's spectacular, no matter how you look at it! This is one of the reasons this forum exists, is for finds like this!



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    don't get me wrong - I've been collecting quad since 1972 - and records in general from 1969 - and I've run into some boots - buy why would some one (in the early 1980's) bother to fake SQ pressings? Not for the $2 I paid for it - not only wasn't there any real market for such things back then - but I was continually berated for holding on to a dead system - especially when CDs hit the market.
    of course all that stopped when those same people started putting in surround sound home theaters :-)

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    a few of my reel decks
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    <img border="0" src="http://www.weeklybugle.com/images/myakai.jpg" width="700" height="633"></p>
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    times and cut and paste (not good at it, but you get the idea)
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    <img border="0" src="http://www.bbrent.com/images/record_room.jpg" width="720" height="400"></p>

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    Yikes! I had to show your pictures to my wife, so she knew that I was not the only one like me. Whew! I must bow down to you! I am not worthy!!

    :-jon

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    Bill, it sure is a cool rare item. Sure worth $2. I'll give you $4 for it. Honestly, I'm hoping someone will try it with the software decode, as that should really tell us. I'm very impressed with your gear!!! I've been upgrading myself, and have a Integra Research RDC7.1 with 2 7.1 inputs. Just waiting for some more cables and stuff to get back to quad archiving. If I was set up right now, I'd try the software decode myself.

    I'm hoping that maybe we can still get some leads on the SQ test pressing that must be out there...
    Dan in Spokane

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