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    Quote Originally Posted by Circular Vibes View Post
    Hi Fred, I am used to the gold stamp on the jackets as well. As to the dates of EQ and PEQ numbering, I don't know. I always thought the EQ was 1st issue and PEQ was a reissue. I have come across quad LP's that had been reissued, though I probably can't put my fingers on any examples. I thought I had read somewhere that the P was added to change the price code to both Epic and Columbia records in both stereo and quad. I would be happy to be corrected and edumacated.
    could be, I'm far from expert in these things, I thought the P prefix which was added to existing catalogue items when the price hike came in stayed and all U.S. SQ LPs on Columbia/Epic/T-Neck/PIR from some point in 1974 on til '77 had PCQ/PEQ/PZQ cat info. but maybe not?

    do you have any gold stamped SQ promo's with gold labels with that "demonstration" blurb on them?
    pretty sure I don't but may only be because I haven't found one yet (and could still mean this gold label is genuine.. I am skeptical but still..!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circular Vibes View Post
    ...... Jon recently posted pics of a Spanish version of this LP having a blue label of the 80's.
    That jpg was from an eBay listing from about 10 years ago (or more). I have no idea if it's legit or some kind of photoshop deal, but I thought I'd throw it in for good measure. I would lean towards fake if I was a betting man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban View Post
    That jpg was from an eBay listing from about 10 years ago (or more). I have no idea if it's legit or some kind of photoshop deal, but I thought I'd throw it in for good measure. I would lean towards fake if I was a betting man.
    The focus is certainly inconsistent...

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    It actually looks pretty convincing with the U.S. Gold label, to me anyways.

    The only blight or item I might question is the faded EPIC and SQ emblem at the top of that Gold label.


    Is it possible ? Yes I think it's possible , but one would think by now we might have seen at least a couple of these ?

    Even demos/samplers not for consumer, but test pressings for industry insiders are made in numbers, perhaps low numbers but still some numbers.



    It sure would be nice to obtain and REALLY have a good look at, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzywiggs41 View Post
    It actually looks pretty convincing with the U.S. Gold label, to me anyways.

    The only blight or item I might question is the faded EPIC and SQ emblem at the top of that Gold label.


    Is it possible ? Yes I think it's possible , but one would think by now we might have seen at least a couple of these ?

    Even demos/samplers not for consumer, but test pressings for industry insiders are made in numbers, perhaps low numbers but still some numbers.



    It sure would be nice to obtain and REALLY have a good look at, though.
    ah.. that's a point.. it figures if the logo is faded the text would be faded too (I'll check thru all the Epic SQ's now) but for me the clinchers are the EQ catalogue number (really think by 1976 it should be PEQ) and the "Demonstration Not For Sale" blurb at the bottom, which I can't find any SQ promo's in my own collection nor in any images online with that on the label. hmm..
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    Don't most demo LPs have white labels? I actually have a Demo stereo copy of this album and it has a white label with the "demonstration not for sale" embossed on the back of the jacket. so the fact that it has the standard gold sq look makes me think it's fake. But why go through the effort to make this?? Just to screw with a very select group of fans into quad? Seems weird.

    The real mistake was releasing this in SACD 2ch only back when Sony was putting out 5.1...Since we didn't get a multichannel remix then I doubt we'll get once anytime soon unfortunately

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    the only faded Epic SQ LP I can find here and everything is similarly faded, track info and all (all my other Epic SQs, including multiple versions of the same SQ LP, have crisp logos with crisp type, mostly the logo is bronze and the type is black but everything is always sharp, this faded thing is the odd one out.. I note its "PEQ xxxxx" 1974 btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjcorne View Post
    Don't most demo LPs have white labels? I actually have a Demo stereo copy of this album and it has a white label with the "demonstration not for sale" embossed on the back of the jacket. so the fact that it has the standard gold sq look makes me think it's fake. But why go through the effort to make this?? Just to screw with a very select group of fans into quad? Seems weird.

    The real mistake was releasing this in SACD 2ch only back when Sony was putting out 5.1...Since we didn't get a multichannel remix then I doubt we'll get once anytime soon unfortunately

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    i don't know but every CBS label Demo SQ LP I've got (around 20-odd) has the exact same gold label as the retail release SQ LP, no "Demonstration Not For Sale" printed on any of the labels, just the gold stamp on the rear of the jacket


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    also just noticed the Epic logo on that Boston gold label is wrong, it's the earlier one, whereas by 1976 it should be the one in your Stereo WLP, sjcorne..

    iirc it was Jeff Beck's Blow By Blow that was one SQ LP (Labelle's Phoenix being the other) which straddled the Epic logo changeover and so first SQ pressings of those albums from 1975 have the earlier Epic logo, while later pressings from 1976 have the new Epic logo.

    oh and also, I can see from your WLP the Stereo catalogue number is PE 34188, so the SQ would most definitely have been PEQ 34188.. that gold labels either full of faux pas or a fake, imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjcorne View Post
    Don't most demo LPs have white labels?]
    some demo albums are not white label, this is a cool looking label demo version.

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    Also since we're talking Boston I remember a thread mentioning that some multitracks were available as paid-for downloads online few years back...has anyone tried an upmix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjcorne View Post
    Also since we're talking Boston I remember a thread mentioning that some multitracks were available as paid-for downloads online few years back...has anyone tried an upmix?
    the now defunct Jammit App had stems for the Boston debut album and at least one QQ member made a MultiCh (4.0 iirc) remix from those stems at the time (a few years ago.)..
    more recently another QQ-er did a 5.1 remix from other stems (can't remember the source but they weren't the Jammit stems).. possibly the closest we'll get.. the SQ demo LP being discussed here doesn't "decode" differently from my LP (which I bought in the 80's) fwiw.. so either the Stereo is stealth SQ encoded or this SQ demo is just the Stereo.. at this point I'm going with the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    also just noticed the Epic logo on that Boston gold label is wrong, it's the earlier one, whereas by 1976 it should be the one in your Stereo WLP, sjcorne..

    iirc it was Jeff Beck's Blow By Blow that was one SQ LP (Labelle's Phoenix being the other) which straddled the Epic logo changeover and so first SQ pressings of those albums from 1975 have the earlier Epic logo, while later pressings from 1976 have the new Epic logo.

    oh and also, I can see from your WLP the Stereo catalogue number is PE 34188, so the SQ would most definitely have been PEQ 34188.. that gold labels either full of faux pas or a fake, imho.
    It would absolutely be a PEQ, not an EQ. Whoever made that fake label messed that up. Great catch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban View Post
    It would absolutely be a PEQ, not an EQ. Whoever made that fake label messed that up. Great catch.
    I Know - and, like others, I just cannot imagine what the point of posting photoshop stuff. Sorry, I just don't. Losers.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    the now defunct Jammit App had stems for the Boston debut album and at least one QQ member made a MultiCh (4.0 iirc) remix from those stems at the time (a few years ago.)..
    more recently another QQ-er did a 5.1 remix from other stems (can't remember the source but they weren't the Jammit stems).. possibly the closest we'll get.. the SQ demo LP being discussed here doesn't "decode" differently from my LP (which I bought in the 80's) fwiw.. so either the Stereo is stealth SQ encoded or this SQ demo is just the Stereo.. at this point I'm going with the latter.
    that's neat...I guess it was never shared. I've been trying to piece together a mix using isolated tracks found on youtube and the stereo with vox removed, etc but it's nearly impossible to sync up the tracks and some are incomplete. It's really too bad this would have made for an unbelievable surround experience in quad or 5.1


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    the only track I was able to find enough stems for was "peace of mind" and the results are nothing short of a total disaster. I put the isolated vocal with acoustic guitar center, drums front, and the stereo mix in the rears with vox removed. Unfortunately the stem source files were all low bitrate and out of sync, so the result is basically horrible echo and distortion. Guess I'm better at listening to 5.1 than mixing it.. but I NEED to hear this in surround at some point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjcorne View Post
    that's neat...I guess it was never shared. I've been trying to piece together a mix using isolated tracks found on youtube and the stereo with vox removed, etc but it's nearly impossible to sync up the tracks and some are incomplete. It's really too bad this would have made for an unbelievable surround experience in quad or 5.1


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    the only track I was able to find enough stems for was "peace of mind" and the results are nothing short of a total disaster. I put the isolated vocal with acoustic guitar center, drums front, and the stereo mix in the rears with vox removed. Unfortunately the stem source files were all low bitrate and out of sync, so the result is basically horrible echo and distortion. Guess I'm better at listening to 5.1 than mixing it.. but I NEED to hear this in surround at some point.
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    I can scan the side one label and shoot the cover if you want - not sure why any one would care at this point, the mixes that are circulating from the stems are knockouts - certainly beats what SQ was capable of. - and I also have the Spanish LP - but sold that off, when I got this (same mix, which I'm happy to share)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Brent View Post
    I can scan the side one label and shoot the cover if you want - not sure why any one would care at this point, the mixes that are circulating from the stems are knockouts - certainly beats what SQ was capable of. - and I also have the Spanish LP - but sold that off, when I got this (same mix, which I'm happy to share)
    oh as many images as possible please!
    front and back of jacket, labels of both sides of the record would be amazing, thanks!

    is there a Quad remix credit?
    is there an inner sleeve?
    what's etched in the runout?
    is the catalogue number on the sleeve EQ 34188 or PEQ 34188?
    is the back of the jacket "Demo" gold embossed stamped?
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    Okay, I'll dig it out again. I really don't understand what all the fuss is about, there are better surround mixes around. In fact I think I'll play them on my Sunday show. It is amusing to read all the speculation about this. Never the less, next chance I get I'll do some scans.

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    Well now upon reflection


    I have to conclude this disc to be a bogus quad release.

    First the prefix number thing , a bit minor but nonetheless important to a quad disc fr 76.

    Secondly as pointed out prior, demos fr Columbia/Epic including Quad demos are in B/W label pretty much standard.

    But thirdly and most imperative is the Epic Emblem . No way should it be that olde one for any labels in again,1976 !! That's just far and away a major "faux pas " for any Epic disc .
    Sorry but that just convinces me it was not anything Columbia/Epic could possibly screw up !

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    well good then, I don't need to go through the trouble of scanning and photographing the album - glad you were able to figure it all out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Brent View Post
    well good then, I don't need to go through the trouble of scanning and photographing the album - glad you were able to figure it all out
    oh I would still like to see it please!
    does the sleeve have Quadraphonic mentioned anywhere on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Brent View Post
    well good then, I don't need to go through the trouble of scanning and photographing the album - glad you were able to figure it all out
    NEWS FLASH !
    My strongest argument against that gold label disc with the 1972 Epic logo , has been laid to waste !!

    I was checking some Epic quad vinyls I have and it would seem that Epic DID INDEED revert back to the older logo on those U.S. gold labels for quad issue in 1976.

    gold label from my U.S Quad of Redbone 1972 is the same as the 1976 label I have of Jeff Beck-Wired Quad----for 1976 !

    1973,74, and 75 copies of Epic Quad discs I own all have the lower case "e " logos . So now I must eat some crow for being too hasty.

    The mystery still continues a bit , but I like Fred (Adam) would like to see, if possible more scans plus that stamper # if possible.

    My first two anomalies remain as does the colour (white-on gold with black print) of the Epic logo and SQ logo.


    I can't outright state that disc is legit , but I can not dismiss it at the same instance as a bogus sampler. It may , repeat may be the real MaCoy-----or a very good photoshop job .
    Either way it's worth looking into a bit further .


    Here's a photo of my "Wired" quad disc, for comparison.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fizzywiggs41 View Post
    NEWS FLASH !
    My strongest argument against that gold label disc with the 1972 Epic logo , has been laid to waste !!

    I was checking some Epic quad vinyls I have and it would seem that Epic DID INDEED revert back to the older logo on those U.S. gold labels for quad issue in 1976.

    gold label from my U.S Quad of Redbone 1972 is the same as the 1976 label I have of Jeff Beck-Wired Quad----for 1976 !

    1973,74, and 75 copies of Epic Quad discs I own all have the lower case "e " logos . So now I must eat some crow for being too hasty.

    The mystery still continues a bit , but I like Fred (Adam) would like to see, if possible more scans plus that stamper # if possible.

    My first two anomalies remain as does the colour (white-on gold with black print) of the Epic logo and SQ logo.


    I can't outright state that disc is legit , but I can not dismiss it at the same instance as a bogus sampler. It may , repeat may be the real MaCoy-----or a very good photoshop job .
    Either way it's worth looking into a bit further .


    Here's a photo of my "Wired" quad disc, for comparison.



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    would love to see those Epic SQ LPs from 73 & 74 with lower case "e" Epic logos, please!
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    137 CD-4, 132 Audio-DVD, 117 DualDisc, 111 BD-A,
    79 DTS CD, 51Q8, 34 QS LP, 29 Dolby Surround CD,
    6 MultiCh DL

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredblue View Post
    would love to see those Epic SQ LPs from 73 & 74 with lower case "e" Epic logos, please!
    Oh alright , I guess so.


    Now you've given me some "homework" to do . So....perhaps not today----but soon .

    All 3 ( Epic quads 73,74,75) are Canadian issues btw . Hope "the dog doesn't eat my homework" .

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