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    I am delighted with this. I hope they do another mashed up/compilation. This thing works great and if it counts as a Beatles album it, is one of my favorites. Alright I know the fidelity/mix/source problems make it less than perfect but it is perfect to my way of thinking. A more adventurous mash up might have been even better, I think they really have left most of the songs sounding the way we already love them since I am sure they felt they had to be careful. A dead straight in the center bullseye. Bravo!

    Mixed reviews and all, my guess is that this is already the biggest selling DVD-A in history.

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    Default Re: Beatles - LOVE [DVD-A]

    Posted the same thing on another site:
    Mix and production:10!

    Fantastic. I'm all over the way the elements and song pieces blend with each other. I think this has given me an even bigger appreciation for the Beatles music. It's like their music is an instrument unto itself. Drive My Car/What You're Doing is superb. Everything about it. Those backing vocals in the rear during the solo blew me away. Lifelike. Walrus left me speechless.. Please let Mr. Hicks do all the 5.1 mixes, if they happen. He's got the touch. Shades of Elliott Scheiner!

    Sound:8
    Ok, here are some negative points to bring this down to earth. Someone went apeshite with the ".1". There is too much bass. I had to turn my sub down quite a bit. On some songs it was not too overwhelming, but Tomorrow Never Knows had the paint peeling off the wall, but not in a good way. I like clean tight bass, this is a bit too boomy.

    I also find the vocals a tad "reedy" for lack of a better word. Kind of grainy. I also found the sound changed from song to song, so maybe the source material made a difference. Here Comes The Sun had a really nice mellow sound to it. Help, on the other hand, felt a bit harsh.

    I need to sit and listen again with less stuff on my mind (car in for repairs and a death in the family), but overall I really feel moved by this release. I was not lucky enough to "be there" when the original Beatles album came out. I guess this is how it felt.

    Overall 9.
    Getting it done in 5.1 !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daved64 View Post
    I was not lucky enough to "be there" when the original Beatles album came out. I guess this is how it felt.

    Overall 9.
    Sort of, except with even more excitement and anticipation.

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    Wow! This is definitely the reference disc. At the end of the disc I was disappointed that the disc was over. I really wanted to hear more! Really impressive.

    My biggest surprise was how much of a sound quality jump this was over the Anthology DVD DTS track. Now I know DTS is lossy but it does a pretty good job of masking the loss. I am sure sound quality improvement has a lot to do with the new mixing techniques used for "Love".

    I had balanced the system recently and used Hotel California DVD-A as an "ear check". With those levels, all channels, including LFE, were perfect. There are plenty of instance where vocals are in the center and surrounds which gives a floating vocal effect when balanced properly. For my ears the LFE was not boomy but well balanced and very musical. The LFE effect was noticed but not the speaker itself.

    Bottom line is that I hope everyone who is going to mix a 5.1 channel disc listens to the "Love" DVD-A. It is the way a DVD-A disc should be done.

    Wow!

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    I am loving what I am reading about how well this disk sounds in surround. This is the first surround disk in a while that I have purchased and am really looking forward to getting to just sit and listen tonight. I have had the cd disk playing in my PC at work for the past couple of hours.

    I probably will hold off voting for a bit though since I do want to vote with my head and not my heart.

    I am pretty excited

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    I just got back from the store, and (thanks to my Acura), I got to listen to most of it in the car. WOW! This makes up for this months car payment!

    Not voting yet, but I did add scans for post #1. So far, I've gone from strange looks to looks of joy in listening. More later............

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    Gave it a listen this afternoon and I think it's the best my stereo (yes, I have 6 speakers,but still call it a stereo) has ever sounded. The mix and production are perfect to my ears and it's 80 min of The Beatles! I've got a new demo disc.

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    Default Re: Beatles - LOVE [DVD-A]

    Nice breakdown here

    Also from the RMN:


    'Love' is Beatles like never before
    By Mark Brown, Rocky Mountain News (November 21, 2006)

    If you're going CD only, The Beatles Love is an interesting mashup and remix of songs you know and love; hearing Drive My Car suddenly drop into What You're Doing is a kick. But if you're putting on the DVD with the surround-sound mix, you step into a new world - the feeling of being in the studio as these classics are recorded.

    The songs that you'd expect to sound great in a 5.1 mix certainly do - A Day in the Life, All You Need is Love, Hey Jude and more are big production numbers that are filled with nuance and detail that you've never heard before.

    Even more striking, though, are the quieter moments. Strawberry Fields Forever opens with Take 1, just John Lennon and his guitar. The surround speakers capture the studio ambience, and yes, it's a cliché, but it's like he's right there.

    If you're expecting a traditional Beatles album, this might not be for you. If you want to hear random bits of genius flying from your speakers in a way you've never heard them before, Love in 5.1 is a deeply satisfying listen. link

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil wilkes View Post
    Interesting.

    When I load the disc, I see there is but a single group present. I do not currently know if this includes either a downmix or a PGC Block with an embedded stereo version that only plays on stereo systems - this is possible, but unlikely as I cannot select the stereo stream manually, which I should be able to do if it is present.
    It also autoplays the album instead of PGC Menu, which I like.

    Resetting the player to VIDEO mode gives a whole different set of screens, beginning with the FBI Warning/Apple splash (Obviously the anonymous author didn't know how to access VTS content, as this is not in the DVD-A, and neither are any of the lossy streams. Sloppy authoring or by design? I prefer to believe by design.) followed by the main setup where you can pick from 3 streams, PCM stereo (unspecified bit depth & sample rate) DD and DTS.
    Strange. The only other DVDA I have that operates the same way is DSOTM. I put it in, and it autoplays in 96/24 MLP. No other groups are available using the "Audio" select button, unless I reset to video mode. The only difference between this and DSOTM is that if I go into search mode I CAN access groups 2 & 3 on DSOTM.

    O.K. - I just remembered that "Stupid Dream" operates like this as well, also authored by Anonymous.
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    I'm having some strange glitches as well. When I first popped in the disc....nothing happened. Although, the track was counting. Strange. I had to hit the back button to start the track again, and it started fine. Later, right after Strawberry Fields, the track went on for 13 minutes! Just silence after the song ended. I hit forward and the next track started, then rewound and Strawberry Fields ended at 4 minutes and some change! That's missing time there! I think it was some strange DVD-A authoring dimension.
    Anyway, when I listened to it again just now with the wife, it didn't have any of those issues.

    That weirdness aside, it's an astonishingly entertaining mix. I'm very, very pleased. I don't want to listen to it too much, because part of the fun of this project is not knowing what's going to come next, something many of us Beatle fans haven't been able to say in a LONG time.

    And the music itself just sounds fantastic. I've never heard some of these songs sounds so good. The transistion from 'Kite' into 'Heavy' was wicked. Me and the wife were throwin' up the devil ears to that one.

    A big whopper of a 10. No question. Bring on the rest of the Fabs' hi-rez 5.1 releases. I'm buying seven copies of each.

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    This is one I'll be listening to over and over. It really does sound great. One of the best mixes to multi-channel surround that I've heard. I have other DVD-A discs that sound a bit better, but Love is right up there. This is The Beatles in surround, and it doesn't disappoint. A Big 10 for me.

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    If you're not in a puddle by track #9 SOMETHING, you got a problem!!!!! OH My God!... Please! This is torture.... because we now know what we could have !......I'm not complaining, just crying! The sound is cold ice on hot black!..... I am giving thanks! The mid and low bass ........simply stunning! The voices have never been more perfect....This is extraordinary! There is hope!....I will make sure that every friend of mine hears this recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neil wilkes View Post
    Interesting.
    Not played my copy as yet, but it says on the back that the DVD has the following:
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    DD 5.1
    DTS 5.1
    Advanced Resolution 5.1

    When I load the disc, I see there is but a single group present. I do not currently know if this includes either a downmix or a PGC Block with an embedded stereo version that only plays on stereo systems - this is possible, but unlikely as I cannot select the stereo stream manually, which I should be able to do if it is present.
    It also autoplays the album instead of PGC Menu, which I like.

    Resetting the player to VIDEO mode gives a whole different set of screens, beginning with the FBI Warning/Apple splash (Obviously the anonymous author didn't know how to access VTS content, as this is not in the DVD-A, and neither are any of the lossy streams. Sloppy authoring or by design? I prefer to believe by design.) followed by the main setup where you can pick from 3 streams, PCM stereo (unspecified bit depth & sample rate) DD and DTS.

    Sound quality here is good at first play.
    Will write a full review when I have heard it a few times.
    Neil, I appreciate your having found this out. I might have missed switching the DVD setting to Video from Audio and I would have missed something there.

    So, I listened to the first two tracks and I listened to I am the Wallrus in all three surround modes. I ended up listening to the whole disk in Dolby after initially starting out with DTS. Of the three I probably would repeatedly use the default surround mode without having to change my player's settings, but I think I preferred the Dolby surround the most on the tracks I listened to. It just seemed to me that the rear channel artifacts were more prevalent using the Dolby setting, that is unless my own perceptions were squeing my thoughts.

    The disk is sooooo much cooler in surround regardless of which one you choose and really is done in a nice way. I could imagine some fans not appreciating some of the liberties that were taken, but I enjoyed the music a lot. Best Buy had the regular cd for 9.99 and the cd-DVD-A combo for 14.99 which is a no brainer. Clarity wise it is just amazing what they were able to do with certain tracks and I was particularly impressed with what they were able to do with "I Want To Hold Your Hand". On the other hand I didn’t like "Gnik Nus" at all and wondered why it was included. Another favorite was what they did with "Strawberry Fields". Some songs were listed in the track listing such as Blackbird and Helter Skelter, but you really don't get the song at all, rather some of the music mixed into another song. I point that out because it is odd to me that they would even list the song when so many other songs were used in part but not listed.

    So, anyway these are my thoughts. Overall I very much enjoyed listening last night, it has been a while since I have done any kind of "critical" listening and I enjoyed it, but I stayed up too late to exercise this morning, so I can not make a habit out of that. I would rate the disk a 9 out of a 10.

    One other thing I will mention about the clarity. If you haven’t had a chance to listen to "Let It Be: Naked" then you are missing another excellent example of what today's technology can do with older music. I thought the clarity of that disk rivaled the clarity of "Love". Also, as far as a reference disk to show off surround, the golden standard has been Dark Side of the Moon and I think a lot of that has had to do with the music itself being so liked as well as the fantastic way the surround mix was done. This disk will fall into the same category as DSOTM in both terms of liking the music and have a surround mix so well done IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughingmood View Post
    Later, right after Strawberry Fields, the track went on for 13 minutes! Just silence after the song ended.
    I noticed what I assume was a layer change that ground things to a halt for a few seconds, though I think it was later than that song. It annoyed me at the time, but it was so minor that I've already forgotten where it was!

    I'm giving this a 9...only reason it's not a 10 is that there are some little bits and pieces that seem tossed in Just Because We Could that--for me--get slightly in the way. Having said that, I think the whole "mash-up" concept works a lot better than I thought it would, with some of the juxtapositions being absolutely brilliant, even ones that sounded...well, a little stupid...on paper. I mean, my reaction to hearing they'd put the "Tomorrow Never Knows" drums on "Within You Without You" was "WTF?" But once I actually heard it, I loved it.

    I'm definitely left wanting more. Obviously, I'd buy whatever 5.1 they choose to put out, but after teasing us with this compilation I think it'd be a crime for them not to do "Sgt. Pepper" and "Abbey Road" at the very least. Oh, and "Magical Mystery Tour".

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    It's a 9.8 for me. Musically, it's like a new Sgt. Pepper for me in terms of musical inventiveness and being transported to another world. Love the 5.1 DTS mix (don't have DVD-A 5.1), especially the sumptuous strings. Forget that old, thin All You Need Is Love stereo mix, this new mix just massacres the old one . My only issues: Slightly distorted vocals on a track or two, and Help, to me, sounds almost like mono. Yesterday, on the other hand, and from the same album, sounds wonderful. 5.1 mixes for the entire catalog (except the monos, of course) should be a no brainer.

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    Well I really did not want to give this one a 10. It would be too predicable.

    I think I am the "right age", as I graduated High School in 1970, the Beatles tunes flowed out during my "growing years", and I bought every LP (in mono of course - to save the extra dollar! ), then later in stereo.

    I waited patiently for every release, lived through the "break up", bought all of the solo stuff, waited for a "reunion", etc, etc. I am the target Beatles market.

    That being said, I have to admit that I rarely drag out my Beatles LPs and CDs. I can hear the tunes in my head without the software, and quite frankly, almost every tune of theirs I have heard so many times, that when they come on the radio I usually change the station, especially if it's a "hit".

    When the CDs of the Capitol Singles Vol 1 & Vol 2 came out, I got excited, played them once or twice, then they went back into the "collection", and haven't come back out again. I have just had TOO MUCH BEATLES in my music life. For crying out loud, it's 2006, it's been 40 years!

    Then, I plopped the Love DVD-A in the car DVD-A player and drove home. Good grief! The first track, thought beautiful, was a bit disturbing, with the extra breaks and the bird sounds. OK, let's keep on going. And going it did. What a terrific release.

    Although not "perfect" perfect, it's the Beatles, it's in 5.1, it's legit, and it sounds incredible, fidelity wise and surround wise. There are a few things I would have rather seen done with the surround mix (the Paul "Helter Skelter" phrases would have been more effective if they came from other than the center speaker"), but this is WAY beyond any ambient/Silverline deal. This is great.

    Songs that I would never listen to in stereo (Yesterday, Eleanor Rigby, Hey Jude) now shine. Listening to "A Day in the Life" almost choked me up. "Come Together", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and more are beyond description.

    I hear no lack of highs at all. It sounds so good; I went to get a "back up" copy today while it was still $14.

    The "Mal"-contents and purists still have their mono LPs and singles and should frankly play them and shut up, because this release does nothing to denigrate the originals and if they don't want or like it, DON'T BUY IT.

    I am just thankful that while I am still around, I could go into a store and get a surround DVD-A in HiRez of Beatles tunes. Last year I would have never believed this if anyone told me.

    George Martin "is" a Beatle, and his involvement makes this legit, IMHO. He and his son have done a great job.

    What can I say? When you consider the material is 40 years old, and the mix is great, the sound is great, the content is........THE BEATLES....well, it's a farging TEN!

    For those who are still on the fence, make no mistake about it, this disc is not "all mashed up". There are complete tunes on here, in "stunning" (for real) 5.1. The "mash ups" are mostly segues between songs. A few tunes are mixed together, but not that many.

    As an aside, my Acura does pause a bit before "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" on the layer change. It's a bit jarring, because there is no silence up until that point. It's brief, but noticeable.

    Whew! This is a great DVD-A! (I wonder if this had come out in 2002, would SONY have muscled it over to SACD? My how times have changed.)
    :-jon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Robinson View Post
    I'm not getting this issue. Maybe your centre is not matched to your front speakers? I have to stand with my ear right in front of the centre to determine that the centre only is producing the vocals. Everything meshes very well.
    I, too, have to get up real close to the speaker to know 100%. However, I've gotten pretty good at picking out center-focused mixes even from my listening position. The speakers are *supposed* to be sonically matched, but they aren't identical. The mains are B&W DM303 and the center is a B&W LCR3, if I recall correctly, which uses the same tweeter but different woofers. There is no doubt in my mind that the DM303 is a better speaker than the LCR3. And the center placement isn't quite where I'd like it to be for music, but it isn't horribly off. I've balanced levels using both an SPL and also by ear and tried numerous settings. I do believe using an identical DM303 and slightly better placement for the center would help immensely. However, I'm just not sold on the idea of placing too much of the vocals into the center. At least not anymore. I absolutely loved it when I first heard James Taylor's "Hourglass" SACD. But I find sometimes a mix sounds less open, less full, and less enjoyable when too much of the vocal is in the center and when there isn't enough vocal in the main left/right. So part of this might be poor equipment and placement/settings. And part of it might just be individual preferences. Keep in mind, I still rated the Love DVD-Audio a 9; so I still liked it quite a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenius View Post
    But I find sometimes a mix sounds less open, less full, and less enjoyable when too much of the vocal is in the center and when there isn't enough vocal in the main left/right.
    I think that having the center speaker at the same distance from the floor as the mids in the left and right speakers improves the overall fullness of the sound. This unifies the front 3 speakers into a single, continuous plane.

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    No it’s not your father’s (or mother’s) mix of Beatles tunes, it’s ours!!!!

    Nor is it the same as I listened to in the early, to mid 60's.

    This edition gives you the subtle things the Beats did. During the middle, beginning, end, or between tracks - there was away’s a little bonus. The clarity of the recording brings it right out in front of you.

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    The end tone of “A Day In A Life” lasted just right ..... forever.

    I don’t know how ....I could have enjoyed “How My Guitar Gently Weeps” without an electric guitar in the song, but I did.
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    Mine just arrived from CD-Universe. I haven't had time to listen to it in much detail, but one thing that jumped out at me was how good George's voice sounds when he sings lead. Warm and full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winopener View Post
    Intresting fact: the dvd-a has only 5.1 mix, no stereo.
    Guess that will really *please* the closed-minded stereo-only hi-rez buffs.
    Do the licensing requirements for use of the dvd audio logo allow only a 5.1 mix to be provided? This is the first I've known of a dvd audio disk having both no stereo mix and no downmixing option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narcopolo View Post
    Do the licensing requirements for use of the dvd audio logo allow only a 5.1 mix to be provided? This is the first I've known of a dvd audio disk having both no stereo mix and no downmixing option.
    The reason for a lack of a DVD-A stereo mix is much simpler than that: lack of disc space.

    As for downmixing, just set your player's output to 2.0 stereo and the player will do it for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neon Kitten View Post
    The reason for a lack of a DVD-A stereo mix is much simpler than that: lack of disc space.

    As for downmixing, just set your player's output to 2.0 stereo and the player will do it for you
    Not strictly true.
    The stereo mix is there on the Video_TS.
    All it would have taken is a link into it.
    Oh well, whatever - nevermind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonUrban View Post
    Well I really did not want to give this one a 10. It would be too predicable.

    I think I am the "right age", as I graduated High School in 1970, the Beatles tunes flowed out during my "growing years", and I bought every LP (in mono of course - to save the extra dollar! ), then later in stereo.

    I waited patiently for every release, lived through the "break up", bought all of the solo stuff, waited for a "reunion", etc, etc. I am the target Beatles market.

    That being said, I have to admit that I rarely drag out my Beatles LPs and CDs. I can hear the tunes in my head without the software, and quite frankly, almost every tune of theirs I have heard so many times, that when they come on the radio I usually change the station, especially if it's a "hit".

    When the CDs of the Capitol Singles Vol 1 & Vol 2 came out, I got excited, played them once or twice, then they went back into the "collection", and haven't come back out again. I have just had TOO MUCH BEATLES in my music life. For crying out loud, it's 2006, it's been 40 years!

    Then, I plopped the Love DVD-A in the car DVD-A player and drove home. Good grief! The first track, thought beautiful, was a bit disturbing, with the extra breaks and the bird sounds. OK, let's keep on going. And going it did. What a terrific release.

    Although not "perfect" perfect, it's the Beatles, it's in 5.1, it's legit, and it sounds incredible, fidelity wise and surround wise. There are a few things I would have rather seen done with the surround mix (the Paul "Helter Skelter" phrases would have been more effective if they came from other than the center speaker"), but this is WAY beyond any ambient/Silverline deal. This is great.

    Songs that I would never listen to in stereo (Yesterday, Eleanor Rigby, Hey Jude) now shine. Listening to "A Day in the Life" almost choked me up. "Come Together", "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and more are beyond description.

    I hear no lack of highs at all. It sounds so good; I went to get a "back up" copy today while it was still $14.

    The "Mal"-contents and purists still have their mono LPs and singles and should frankly play them and shut up, because this release does nothing to denigrate the originals and if they don't want or like it, DON'T BUY IT.

    I am just thankful that while I am still around, I could go into a store and get a surround DVD-A in HiRez of Beatles tunes. Last year I would have never believed this if anyone told me.

    George Martin "is" a Beatle, and his involvement makes this legit, IMHO. He and his son have done a great job.

    What can I say? When you consider the material is 40 years old, and the mix is great, the sound is great, the content is........THE BEATLES....well, it's a farging TEN!

    For those who are still on the fence, make no mistake about it, this disc is not "all mashed up". There are complete tunes on here, in "stunning" (for real) 5.1. The "mash ups" are mostly segues between songs. A few tunes are mixed together, but not that many.

    As an aside, my Acura does pause a bit before "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" on the layer change. It's a bit jarring, because there is no silence up until that point. It's brief, but noticeable.

    Whew! This is a great DVD-A! (I wonder if this had come out in 2002, would SONY have muscled it over to SACD? My how times have changed.)
    I don't rate many releases a 10, but this one does contain music I love and after one listen, I gave it a 10. I am a 1970 HS graduate as well and of course very familiar with the music, but haven't owned some of these songs since the 60's in any form. I also recently acquired the Capitol Vol. 1 set, which I play in the auto and have ordered Vol. 2 since I finally found it at a price I was willing to pay. This disc is terrific and the only person I have played it for so far agrees with me. The original albums are better in stereo than this is in my opinion, so the CD is not of much use to me.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob R View Post
    The end tone of “A Day In A Life” lasted just right ..... forever.
    It's like a friggin' Nuclear Explosion! I love it!

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