360RA decoding via hardware - McIntosh and other MPEG-H ready receivers

[Lucanu]

I think the 2023 models from Sound United (both Marantz and Denon--which have been discussed in another thread? or is it this one?) with 360 RA support aren't limited to the European versions, however.

The Marantz Cinema Series shuold be supported worldwide. My AVR along with other models should be MPEG-H ready as stated here

 

[boondocks]

It should because it’s stated on Sony site, though it’s limited to only 220/240V models. I live in Italy

OK, Lucanu. It was not on the site I looked at but I have no reason to doubt you, I'm just curious.

 

[boondocks]

The whole thing boggles my mind why there is not wider acceptance. My TX-RZ50 supports neither mpeg-h nor Auro3D, and I knew that going in, but it seemed, and still seems, the facts about what can actually be played are hazy. I bought mine based more on Atmos support, which is really all I could go on at the time, and for what I was willing to spend.
I have a 7.1.4 Atmos system, but I would love it if it could encompass the other immersive (i.e. mpeg-h & Auro3D) codecs.
I can get nothing out of Onkyo about any forthcoming firmware updates so I can only assume support for them won't happen.

 

[Evanesco]

Long rant here…
I bought a new Google TV Chromecast 4K to test if Amazon Music or Tidal could stream 360RA as posted on Marantz Cinema Series picture I attached.

The only surround format possible is Atmos in Tidal, just like Apple TV.

Tidal app shows 360 songs and albums, which is different from Apple Tv app, but it gets an error, as well when trying to play MQA songs.

In Amazon Music app is no different. There’s no 360/Atmos available.
You can only see at which sample rate that song is streamed and it doesn’t go over 16/48 Opus.

I think this 360RA/MPEG-H is frustrating and it looks like smokeware To me…

I’m not saying that it’s not good but th only MPEG-H support is for professional and it’s available in binaural mix for consumer which is completely nonsense to me if there’s hardware available to decode it properly.

Ps.: Fire Stick 4K is “another” capable system that should do the job but I’m VERY sure it won’tView attachment 87957

Glad to see I'm not the only one with this MPEG-H problem. And glad to see my picture can be used. The picture is a screen dump from a PDF I got from Sound United. It's also being used in their presentation video on Youtube. See it here:



I have reached out to Marantz technical support, from two directions. One is through their normal support and a support person at Marantz will pass the problem over to development team now. A little light at the end of the tunnel here.
I'll let you know when I get something back from them.
I also fired of an email to Fraunhofer. I got access to the MPEG-H Authoring Suite, and should be able to have some questions answered about playing back MPEH-H on a real actual physical system like the CINEMA 50/40. At least I hope so!

 

[Lucanu]

Glad to see I'm not the only one with this MPEG-H problem. And glad to see my picture can be used. The picture is a screen dump from a PDF I got from Sound United. It's also being used in their presentation video on Youtube. See it here:



I have reached out to Marantz technical support, from two directions. One is through their normal support and a support person at Marantz will pass the problem over to development team now. A little light at the end of the tunnel here.
I'll let you know when I get something back from them.
I also fired of an email to Fraunhofer. I got access to the MPEG-H Authoring Suite, and should be able to have some questions answered about playing back MPEH-H on a real actual physical system like the CINEMA 50/40. At least I hope so!

Can’t wait!! Thanks

 

[Evanesco]

FYI, now you can test if your new AVR actually really does support MPEG-H decoding. My CINEMA 50 does.

MPEG-H/360 RA Player app for Android TV " iRZ MPEG-H Player "

Hi there! Just want to let you know that an app exist that can bitstream MPEG-H audio from a NVIDIA SHIELD to an AVR with MPEG-H decoding, like the new Marantz Cinema 50 etc.. Search for "iRZ MPEG-H Player". At the moment it is only possible to "stream" mpeg-h from webserver with json config...

www.quadraphonicquad.com

 

[Lucanu]

FYI, now you can test if your new AVR actually really does support MPEG-H decoding. My CINEMA 50 does.

MPEG-H/360 RA Player app for Android TV " iRZ MPEG-H Player "

Hi there! Just want to let you know that an app exist that can bitstream MPEG-H audio from a NVIDIA SHIELD to an AVR with MPEG-H decoding, like the new Marantz Cinema 50 etc.. Search for "iRZ MPEG-H Player". At the moment it is only possible to "stream" mpeg-h from webserver with json config...

www.quadraphonicquad.com

I downloaded this app a month ago and it never worked, which is not related to the AVR, it didn’t connect to the videos.

Edit:
I read better your topic, I have to try it better… news ASAP

 

[Lucanu]

Update
MPEG-H/360 RA Player app for Android TV " iRZ MPEG-H Player "

 

[raml]

A friend of mine brought his Fire TV Cube - 3rd Gen (2022) and MPEG-H is working via Amazon Music. TIDAL is Not working.

 

[Lucanu]

That’s good news!! It means that some kind of updates should come soon for others android tv systems

 

[Evanesco]

A friend of mine brought his Fire TV Cube - 3rd Gen (2022) and MPEG-H is working via Amazon Music. TIDAL is Not working.

Nice!
Amazon Music is not available in Denmark where I’m from.

As I see it, it’s Tidal and Chromecast that need updates.

 

[Lucanu]

That’s good news!! It means that some kind of updates should come soon for others android tv systems

Actually marketing is doing a lot to confuse things, as you can see Amazon Music app works in 360RA/MPEG-H on their own Fire Cube, while it doesn't work on Nvidia Shield that could see 360RA songs in Tidal but plays only in HIFi and ChromeCast TV doesn't do anything like that.

 

[boondocks]

Does this mean that any Android tv might possibly maybe soon be able to play mpeg-h??
That would be sweet, I just bought another one for my audio room.

 

[olgitnorm]

A friend of mine brought his Fire TV Cube - 3rd Gen (2022) and MPEG-H is working via Amazon Music. TIDAL is Not working.

Shame it’s not working on the latest 4K max firestick

 

[J. PUPSTER]

A friend of mine brought his Fire TV Cube - 3rd Gen (2022) and MPEG-H is working via Amazon Music. TIDAL is Not working.

Wondering if I could plug one into my other system into my Oppo 103D and have it downmix to 5.1? My Apple 4K TV does that on my other system with Atmos.

Also for the new YouTube 5.1?

I have plenty of Amazon points to get it free. Or could get it until I have an updated AVR

 

[himey]

Wondering if I could plug one into my other system into my Oppo 103D and have it downmix to 5.1? My Apple 4K TV does that on my other system with Atmos.

Also for the new YouTube 5.1?

I have plenty of Amazon points to get it free. Or could get it until I have an updated AVR

No. You need the proper decoder.

 

[raml]

Also for the new YouTube 5.1?

What do you mean?

 

[J. PUPSTER]

What do you mean?

YouTube getting 5.1 support?

So, this is a bit confusing, I’ve done my best to explain it all here: Last year YouTube announced its “cut the cable” service YouTube TV will broadcast Dolby Digital 5.1 audio, much like most cable TV, and they’ve been slowly rolling that out. Article about that Here. But today I woke up...

www.quadraphonicquad.com

 

[J. PUPSTER]

No. You need the proper decoder.

So what’s raml’s friend decoding it with?

 

[raml]

YouTube getting 5.1 support?

So, this is a bit confusing, I’ve done my best to explain it all here: Last year YouTube announced its “cut the cable” service YouTube TV will broadcast Dolby Digital 5.1 audio, much like most cable TV, and they’ve been slowly rolling that out. Article about that Here. But today I woke up...

www.quadraphonicquad.com

Also the Cube Outputs it as MchPCM in 5.1 and e.g. my Shield outputs it as DD+ 5.1