70'S QUAD FM SYNDICATIONS AND SIMULCASTS-OTHER THAN BBC, KBFH

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"Some of the bands which have used Agora's recording on their albums include ; Savoy Brown , Rick Derringer , Iggy Pop , and Southside Johnny and The Asbury Dukes" , says LaConti .

Iggy Pop's Agora performance has been issued approximately ten trillion times, in at least one case (Suck on This) as a flat-out bootleg with some tracks officially released on the RCA TV Eye album. There are also a pile of CDs that I've seen (and, at least twice, bought) in record stores that didn't knowingly traffic in bootlegs containing the same performances.

I just played the beginning of the two CDs (Wild Animal and Sister Midnight) through the Surround Master in SQ mode and...honestly, I'm not sure. I think it sounded really good, but I can't tell if that's by accident or if it's really SQ encoded. I tried it in Involve/QS as well and while it was much louder (?) I thought SQ sounded more natural.

If there are any other Iggy fanatics out there who can do the same test, I'd be curious to learn what you hear.

Oh, it's also been reissued within the last few years in a definitely official box set, but I haven't checked that one yet.
 

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Iggy Pop's Agora performance has been issued approximately ten trillion times, in at least one case (Suck on This) as a flat-out bootleg with some tracks officially released on the RCA TV Eye album. There are also a pile of CDs that I've seen (and, at least twice, bought) in record stores that didn't knowingly traffic in bootlegs containing the same performances.

I just played the beginning of the two CDs (Wild Animal and Sister Midnight) through the Surround Master in SQ mode and...honestly, I'm not sure. I think it sounded really good, but I can't tell if that's by accident or if it's really SQ encoded. I tried it in Involve/QS as well and while it was much louder (?) I thought SQ sounded more natural.

If there are any other Iggy fanatics out there who can do the same test, I'd be curious to learn what you hear.

Oh, it's also been reissued within the last few years in a definitely official box set, but I haven't checked that one yet.
I had this one on my "suspicious" list a few years back. I should check it out.
 

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It seems like almost every (if not every) act that played at the Agora was recorded, whether the recording was subsequently broadcast on the radio or not. The Agora had a recording studio called Agency Recording that was situated in the same building, above the concert venue.

The reason, or one of the reasons, that you see so many CD reissues of Agora concerts is that unlike a lot of radio concerts which were mixed live to stereo, the shows at the Agora were recorded to 24-track two-inch multitrack tape and then properly mixed to stereo or quad after the fact. The only other entities I can think of that did this kind of thing wholesale were KBFH (now owned by Wolfgang's Vault) and the BBC, both of which apparently want so much money to license these recordings that even major labels are balking at it - the recent Black Sabbath box sets feature live material that WV should hold the multitrack masters for, but what's on the box sets is sourced from mp3 versions of the old radio broadcasts. Hank LoConti, who owned the Agora and Agency Recording not only kept all the multitrack master tapes, but has seemingly been agreeable when it comes to license these recordings for reissue, and as a result a ton of them have been issued on CD in the last 25 years or so.

I think what sets the Agora recordings apart from a lot of other live recordings of the time is that because the recording equipment was permanently in place, and every recording was of the same venue, with the same mics and setup, there was a lot less of the 'unknown' factor at play. Live recordings are often bad because of unanticipated problems on the night, like bad acoustics, equipment malfunction, and so on, but because the Agora recordings were the same thing over and over, it was a much more controlled environment, almost like being in a studio, just with a 2000-strong crowd present. The other thing working in their favour was that because most of the bands didn't know they were being recorded (or if they did, they didn't have the pressure of it being a 'big deal' recording for an album release) they didn't have the same kind of "camera shyness" that a lot of artists have talked about when they know they're being recorded for a live album. The result is you get a much looser and more spontaneous atmosphere, and as a result they captured a lot of artists at their absolute peak.

Apparently when Hank LoConti died, all of the Agora ephemera, including all those master tapes (multitracks and mixed masters) became part of a huge archive at Case Western Reserve University, which is located not far from the original site of the venue. Ever since I discovered that the masters for these shows still exist a few years back, I thought it would be cool for D-V to do a series of live SACDs in surround, or double disc sets of a studio quad and a live album from the same period, but I think that the hurdles, both practical (getting a band to agree to it, finding tapes, making sure they're ok, mixing them, getting the band to OK the mix etc.) and financial are probably too huge for such a niche project.

There are a number of good articles about the Agora and Hank LoConti, that give you an idea of what the place was like and how they operated:


 

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FWIW I had a look at some of those links , and they contain "Live at The Agora" Performances from the late 70's* (and 80's).

I think they're very good btw.


Thanks, for that info Steely 😀


*SQ
 

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I know this is an old thread, but I've been going through 100+ 7" R2R's and just found a tape that has the 1st live broadcast of "NEW WORLD OF JAZZ" at the Agora Ballroom that was recorded off the air from radio station WCOZ in Boston. Complete with commercials from the sponsor Sansui. Pushing the Sansui QRX-7001 and the new QSD-2. I wish this was recorded in 4-channel. I have two machines that could take advantage of the surround sound. But alas it only Stereo. Still a nice surprise.
 

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I know this is an old thread, but I've been going through 100+ 7" R2R's and just found a tape that has the 1st live broadcast of "NEW WORLD OF JAZZ" at the Agora Ballroom that was recorded off the air from radio station WCOZ in Boston. Complete with commercials from the sponsor Sansui. Pushing the Sansui QRX-7001 and the new QSD-2. I wish this was recorded in 4-channel. I have two machines that could take advantage of the surround sound. But alas it only Stereo. Still a nice surprise.


Silly question....but I have to ask, .Mike...

How do you know that broadcast is only Stereo?
 

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I know this is an old thread, but I've been going through 100+ 7" R2R's and just found a tape that has the 1st live broadcast of "NEW WORLD OF JAZZ" at the Agora Ballroom that was recorded off the air from radio station WCOZ in Boston. Complete with commercials from the sponsor Sansui. Pushing the Sansui QRX-7001 and the new QSD-2. I wish this was recorded in 4-channel. I have two machines that could take advantage of the surround sound. But alas it only Stereo. Still a nice surprise.
mike, I think you have the same files I have. This one looks like QS on my computer, although the files aren’t in good enough shape to decode “as is”. Looks like pretty basic soundstage, with band favoring the front speakers and audience mikes in the back. I’m in Boston, and recently, I’ve been trying to get in touch with some folks that worked at COZ back in the day to see if anyone might be sitting some reels but so far no luck. Also, there are a bunch of agora tapes in a Cleveland museum, and recently that there was FINALLY an effort underway to digitize them. Fingers crossed for something good to happen, but no details yet.
 

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I know this is an old thread, but I've been going through 100+ 7" R2R's and just found a tape that has the 1st live broadcast of "NEW WORLD OF JAZZ" at the Agora Ballroom that was recorded off the air from radio station WCOZ in Boston. Complete with commercials from the sponsor Sansui. Pushing the Sansui QRX-7001 and the new QSD-2. I wish this was recorded in 4-channel. I have two machines that could take advantage of the surround sound. But alas it only Stereo. Still a nice surprise.
Even if they are just stereo play them via Sansui QRX/QSD surround mode, and they should sound almost as good as if encoded!
 

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mike, I think you have the same files I have. This one looks like QS on my computer, although the files aren’t in good enough shape to decode “as is”. Looks like pretty basic soundstage, with band favoring the front speakers and audience mikes in the back. I’m in Boston, and recently, I’ve been trying to get in touch with some folks that worked at COZ back in the day to see if anyone might be sitting some reels but so far no luck. Also, there are a bunch of agora tapes in a Cleveland museum, and recently that there was FINALLY an effort underway to digitize them. Fingers crossed for something good to happen, but no details yet.
Well I have over 100 tapes to go through. (Mostly recorded Boston stations.) If i find anything interesting I'll post here.
 

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I was listening on headphones and when I switched to the REAR headphone Jack I heard a stereo track (played in reverse.)

Oh ok.
I would suggest an appropriate decoder , in this case ...such as a QS or Involve mode , via Sansui or a Surround Master.
FWIW :
I had one tape of the Sansui sponsored New World Of Jazz, broadcast , and I didn't think it was overly active in the rear channels.
That being said , it was still encoded , just not a great encode.
 

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I was listening on headphones and when I switched to the REAR headphone Jack I heard a stereo track (played in reverse.)
This was when you played the S4 tape on a Q4 machine.

If the tape is in the QS matrix, it makes only two tracks on an S4 tape. Then you decode those two tracks with the QS decoder to get 4 channel for the speakers,
 

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"New World of Jazz" was Sansui sponsored and broadcast in QS .

"Live At The Agora" however was broadcast in SQ matrix.


Agency Recording did a lot of Quadraphonic recording , for both FM syndication and LP. And they encoded shows in either SQ or QS matrix depending in this case on the Sponsor.
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I'm still wondering where those DSR Productions "On Tour" shows are , from one half of the former band CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL, namely Doug Clifford and Stu COOK.
Mostly Rock acts , with them. But it no doubt would include a popular progressive Jazz Icon like Jean Luc Ponty.
 
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