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Funny how things from the past can come back as a surprise to either haunt or pleasantly surprise you. This post is certainly the latter. But first the back story.

In ’78 I was living on my own, not married in a little apartment in the Westport area of Kansas City, MO. I had written a “letter to the editor” of the Quad Quarterly & it was published. I have no remembrance at what the topic was but as was the convention at that time the letter concluded listing my name & city.
About a week later I got a phone from someone who looked my name up in, you know- The White Pages. He was another audiophile quad lover named David Wiest & he lived easily close by in a suburb. The interest was mutual & we got together frequently usually at his home as I was embarrassed at my little 3rd floor walk up compared to his nice house.

David retired early at 55 & when I met him he was 60 & I was 28. Because of our age difference he was probably a better friend to me then I was to him. At 62 Dave was diagnosed with prostate cancer & gone by 65. Naturally at one point there was a Hi-Fi garage sale with family members taking the best but still a lot left over. I bought a gazillion quad records at $2 each, lab tech stuff etc. For free I got tons of literature & tech info & old Audio Amateur/ Speaker Builder magazines, AUDIO magazines from the 50> late 60’s.

So about a week ago I’m digging through a closet in my Bassment & find a brown manila envelope written on was “early quad stuff” . I was perplexed as I knew it wasn’t my writing; I could actually read it. Inside stuffed full was a lot of, well, early quad stuff Dave had saved & I had totally forgotten about.

There was a significant amount of personal correspondence, all hand written cuz that’s how it was done back then. Several letters from Brian Moura advising on CD-4 set ups, & sources to purchase quad software. Names popped up like Gary Thilgen, Dave Vaccaro, letters from Lou Dorren. Wow. A few AES white papers and a few of those little promotional booklets published to explain why (enter format here) was the only way to go.
Also found was an incredible collection of 4 Quad/Evolution newsletters.

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It goes from Vol 1, #1 to Vol 2 #10. That may be the full run. I had forgotten that Larry Clifton & his Quadlings column was there. Likewise it was good to see Brian Moura’s articles. Memory being what it was I forgot they did stuff before Quad Quarterly (QQ!).

In Vol 2, #10 there was a scathing letter from a reader to the editor. In summary the author blasted Evolution & the editor Jay Frank for failing to accomplish what was promised in the first issue: to be un-biased towards Quad format, educate on surround sound, create local & nationwide promotions. The letter’s author claimed none of this was done, instead doing nothing to promote but settling into a surround agenda that seemed only to care about SQ & CD-4. The author of this letter was someone you may have heard of: Jon Urban.

Of course he was right & as I was able to binge read these articles it was very apparent. Now there is some very good reading & tech info but it lacks the openness, humor & vitality of Quadraphonic Quad. In fact I’d say Jon has succeeded where Jay Frank failed.

Now it’s also unfair to a degree in comparing what a small group of people can accomplish putting out a newsletter & distributing via USPS. QQ is international in scope & every member is a contributor. Could Evolution better succeed today on the WWW? Nah. I don’t think so. Dave Wiest would have loved being part of this forum.
 
Funny how things from the past can come back as a surprise to either haunt or pleasantly surprise you. This post is certainly the latter. But first the back story.

In ’78 I was living on my own, not married in a little apartment in the Westport area of Kansas City, MO. I had written a “letter to the editor” of the Quad Quarterly & it was published. I have no remembrance at what the topic was but as was the convention at that time the letter concluded listing my name & city.
About a week later I got a phone from someone who looked my name up in, you know- The White Pages. He was another audiophile quad lover named David Wiest & he lived easily close by in a suburb. The interest was mutual & we got together frequently usually at his home as I was embarrassed at my little 3rd floor walk up compared to his nice house.

David retired early at 55 & when I met him he was 60 & I was 28. Because of our age difference he was probably a better friend to me then I was to him. At 62 Dave was diagnosed with prostate cancer & gone by 65. Naturally at one point there was a Hi-Fi garage sale with family members taking the best but still a lot left over. I bought a gazillion quad records at $2 each, lab tech stuff etc. For free I got tons of literature & tech info & old Audio Amateur/ Speaker Builder magazines, AUDIO magazines from the 50> late 60’s.

So about a week ago I’m digging through a closet in my Bassment & find a brown manila envelope written on was “early quad stuff” . I was perplexed as I knew it wasn’t my writing; I could actually read it. Inside stuffed full was a lot of, well, early quad stuff Dave had saved & I had totally forgotten about.

There was a significant amount of personal correspondence, all hand written cuz that’s how it was done back then. Several letters from Brian Moura advising on CD-4 set ups, & sources to purchase quad software. Names popped up like Gary Thilgen, Dave Vaccaro, letters from Lou Dorren. Wow. A few AES white papers and a few of those little promotional booklets published to explain why (enter format here) was the only way to go.
Also found was an incredible collection of 4 Quad/Evolution newsletters.

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It goes from Vol 1, #1 to Vol 2 #10. That may be the full run. I had forgotten that Larry Clifton & his Quadlings column was there. Likewise it was good to see Brian Moura’s articles. Memory being what it was I forgot they did stuff before Quad Quarterly (QQ!).

In Vol 2, #10 there was a scathing letter from a reader to the editor. In summary the author blasted Evolution & the editor Jay Frank for failing to accomplish what was promised in the first issue: to be un-biased towards Quad format, educate on surround sound, create local & nationwide promotions. The letter’s author claimed none of this was done, instead doing nothing to promote but settling into a surround agenda that seemed only to care about SQ & CD-4. The author of this letter was someone you may have heard of: Jon Urban.

Of course he was right & as I was able to binge read these articles it was very apparent. Now there is some very good reading & tech info but it lacks the openness, humor & vitality of Quadraphonic Quad. In fact I’d say Jon has succeeded where Jay Frank failed.

Now it’s also unfair to a degree in comparing what a small group of people can accomplish putting out a newsletter & distributing via USPS. QQ is international in scope & every member is a contributor. Could Evolution better succeed today on the WWW? Nah. I don’t think so. Dave Wiest would have loved being part of this forum.

Lovely story. And I, too, am grateful that in QQ we have a "gold mine" of surround history, opinion, and technical and discographical info, All with "openness, humor, & vitality." Amen!
 
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Funny, I remember 4Quad, and Jay Frank, but I don't remember writing a scathing letter. Funny how things so seemingly important then matter little today. When I think back to that time, quad was pretty much dead, and how we all found each other I'll never remember. But there were some great people into it back then, including Gary Thilgen, Brian Moura, Mike Robin, Larry Clifton, Nick Perugini, Ron Brian, Jay of course, and a host of others I can't even remember. Larry did join QQ at the beginning but remains cloaked. His 'Quad Incorporated' was the definative reference for us old quaddies.

It would be a hoot if Jay stopped by and posted here at QQ. I'd be happy to apologize for the scathing letter. He really did a lot for quad, and then he moved into LaserDiscs as I recall.
 
That's a great story....thanks for sharing...you touch on a subject that has "moved me" emotionally several times on here...being able to post with some pioneers in our hobby....people who are mainstream.....on the proverbial frontlines of the music industry....recently I was looking for some new surround speakers and during my research I ran across some articles by Kal(man) Rubinson….I googled the speakers in question and Kal's name was the first to pop up...and the article provided the information I needed....and I thought to myself....he's on our forum(in fact he was on this morning)and he's accessible(which he is)….I don't have to email some publishing website...he's right here...it just blows my mind that people of this caliber are here....and one such encounter that I cherish is some posts I made with Thom Cadley about his work with Luther Vandross on Dance With My Father....you could just feel the emotion from Thom when talking about the recording sessions...it was Luther's only number 1 album and he got a Grammy award for song of the year... but after that recording... medical issues shortened his life...it was the pinnacle of his career....but posting with a guy that was there....working with him in the studio...priceless...as Luther's music was a huge part of my life.."back in the day"...and other professional people that visit this forum...people that were "there"...in the room...so to speak...when the stars were at work...that's something special to me...

That's what I love about this forum....when I visit SHF(I'm a member....but have never posted) it's not nearly as intimate....yes they have a large membership...and you can get a lot of good information on there...BUT...the atmosphere is completely different than it is here...too formal and at times too competitive...
 
Funny, I remember 4Quad, and Jay Frank, but I don't remember writing a scathing letter. Funny how things so seemingly important then matter little today. When I think back to that time, quad was pretty much dead, and how we all found each other I'll never remember. But there were some great people into it back then, including Gary Thilgen, Brian Moura, Mike Robin, Larry Clifton, Nick Perugini, Ron Brian, Jay of course, and a host of others I can't even remember. Larry did join QQ at the beginning but remains cloaked. His 'Quad Incorporated' was the definative reference for us old quaddies.

It would be a hoot if Jay stopped by and posted here at QQ. I'd be happy to apologize for the scathing letter. He really did a lot for quad, and then he moved into LaserDiscs as I recall.

So in effect, Jon Urban was the crotchety ole Mister Magoo of his generation!


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QUAD isn't DEAD....you blasphemers!
 
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Funny how things from the past can come back as a surprise to either haunt or pleasantly surprise you. This post is certainly the latter. But first the back story.

In ’78 I was living on my own, not married in a little apartment in the Westport area of Kansas City, MO. I had written a “letter to the editor” of the Quad Quarterly & it was published. I have no remembrance at what the topic was but as was the convention at that time the letter concluded listing my name & city.
About a week later I got a phone from someone who looked my name up in, you know- The White Pages. He was another audiophile quad lover named David Wiest & he lived easily close by in a suburb. The interest was mutual & we got together frequently usually at his home as I was embarrassed at my little 3rd floor walk up compared to his nice house.

David retired early at 55 & when I met him he was 60 & I was 28. Because of our age difference he was probably a better friend to me then I was to him. At 62 Dave was diagnosed with prostate cancer & gone by 65. Naturally at one point there was a Hi-Fi garage sale with family members taking the best but still a lot left over. I bought a gazillion quad records at $2 each, lab tech stuff etc. For free I got tons of literature & tech info & old Audio Amateur/ Speaker Builder magazines, AUDIO magazines from the 50> late 60’s.

So about a week ago I’m digging through a closet in my Bassment & find a brown manila envelope written on was “early quad stuff” . I was perplexed as I knew it wasn’t my writing; I could actually read it. Inside stuffed full was a lot of, well, early quad stuff Dave had saved & I had totally forgotten about.

There was a significant amount of personal correspondence, all hand written cuz that’s how it was done back then. Several letters from Brian Moura advising on CD-4 set ups, & sources to purchase quad software. Names popped up like Gary Thilgen, Dave Vaccaro, letters from Lou Dorren. Wow. A few AES white papers and a few of those little promotional booklets published to explain why (enter format here) was the only way to go.
Also found was an incredible collection of 4 Quad/Evolution newsletters.

View attachment 38664

It goes from Vol 1, #1 to Vol 2 #10. That may be the full run. I had forgotten that Larry Clifton & his Quadlings column was there. Likewise it was good to see Brian Moura’s articles. Memory being what it was I forgot they did stuff before Quad Quarterly (QQ!).

In Vol 2, #10 there was a scathing letter from a reader to the editor. In summary the author blasted Evolution & the editor Jay Frank for failing to accomplish what was promised in the first issue: to be un-biased towards Quad format, educate on surround sound, create local & nationwide promotions. The letter’s author claimed none of this was done, instead doing nothing to promote but settling into a surround agenda that seemed only to care about SQ & CD-4. The author of this letter was someone you may have heard of: Jon Urban.

Of course he was right & as I was able to binge read these articles it was very apparent. Now there is some very good reading & tech info but it lacks the openness, humor & vitality of Quadraphonic Quad. In fact I’d say Jon has succeeded where Jay Frank failed.

Now it’s also unfair to a degree in comparing what a small group of people can accomplish putting out a newsletter & distributing via USPS. QQ is international in scope & every member is a contributor. Could Evolution better succeed today on the WWW? Nah. I don’t think so. Dave Wiest would have loved being part of this forum.
Wow, what a great story, echoes from the past, qq warriors at present times!!!!
 
Lovely story. And I, too, am grateful that in QQ we have a "gold mine" of surround history, opinion, and technical and discographical info, All with "openness, humor, & vitality." Amen!

At one time I was getting pretty frustrated with my fellow Quadies. It seemed most were content to having very mediocre vintage gear & listening only to records from the quad era. Stuck in the past in a rather small world. A typical situation might a cheapo TT plugged into a crummy 14 watt Panasonic/Sony/Pioneer receiver with tape outs into a then state of the art QSD-1. From there it would plug back into the 4 ch inputs on the receiver and then to some out dated paper cone Pioneer or Sansui speakers. You know the kind: big, paper cone everything, heavy cloth fabric grill with routed out wood trim over it.

High fidelity audio was advancing by leaps and bounds in the 80’s. Some was fluff, a lot was solid. Why wouldn’t you want to take advantage of that? If someone was convinced that music in surround is the way to go then it should be presented in the best possible way. There is no benefit to poor quality sound coming at you from all directions.

As some of my gear can now be called vintage, as well as myself, I am more tolerant of that point of view. But more importantly when I look at the diversity on the QQ forums I am very pleased to see how surround sound attitudes & equipment have changed. There is some astounding top quality set ups around here. Cruising the Show Us Your Gear topic is pure audio porn for me. We’ve come a long way.

But the diversity counts too. From Dynaquad to Atmos, from 8 track to 8 channels (or more) , from Glen Campbell to White Snake I just love how things have progressed & grown over the years.

And just yesterday I received my two Art Garfunkel SACD’s. Who says Quad is dead?
 
Funny, I remember 4Quad, and Jay Frank, but I don't remember writing a scathing letter. Funny how things so seemingly important then matter little today. When I think back to that time, quad was pretty much dead, and how we all found each other I'll never remember. But there were some great people into it back then, including Gary Thilgen, Brian Moura, Mike Robin, Larry Clifton, Nick Perugini, Ron Brian, Jay of course, and a host of others I can't even remember. Larry did join QQ at the beginning but remains cloaked. His 'Quad Incorporated' was the definative reference for us old quaddies.

It would be a hoot if Jay stopped by and posted here at QQ. I'd be happy to apologize for the scathing letter. He really did a lot for quad, and then he moved into LaserDiscs as I recall.

Until I read your post I had given no thought as to Jay Frank or what had happened since the Eveolution newsletter. Looks like he has done pretty well:

Evolution Audio

Oddly there is no our staff or about us links on the page. But google found it:

Our Staff

Scroll down a bit & you'll see Jay.

RE: Letter I thought you might get a kick out of reading it again. It was passionate, indeed, & seeing your name at the end was a pretty good surprise to me:
 

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That's a great story....thanks for sharing...you touch on a subject that has "moved me" emotionally several times on here...being able to post with some pioneers in our hobby....people who are mainstream.....on the proverbial frontlines of the music industry....recently I was looking for some new surround speakers and during my research I ran across some articles by Kal(man) Rubinson….I googled the speakers in question and Kal's name was the first to pop up...and the article provided the information I needed....and I thought to myself....he's on our forum(in fact he was on this morning)and he's accessible(which he is)….I don't have to email some publishing website...he's right here...it just blows my mind that people of this caliber are here....and one such encounter that I cherish is some posts I made with Thom Cadley about his work with Luther Vandross on Dance With My Father....you could just feel the emotion from Thom when talking about the recording sessions...it was Luther's only number 1 album and he got a Grammy award for song of the year... but after that recording... medical issues shortened his life...it was the pinnacle of his career....but posting with a guy that was there....working with him in the studio...priceless...as Luther's music was a huge part of my life.."back in the day"...and other professional people that visit this forum...people that were "there"...in the room...so to speak...when the stars were at work...that's something special to me...

That's what I love about this forum....when I visit SHF(I'm a member....but have never posted) it's not nearly as intimate....yes they have a large membership...and you can get a lot of good information on there...BUT...the atmosphere is completely different than it is here...too formal and at times too competitive...

Agreed. To be able to reach out to so many significant others here is a real bonus.I remember especially reading the threads from Lynn Olson & Lou Dorren. The music industry people that hang out here shows the power of the forum. I don't know of Thom Cadley but I appreciate how amazing it is to be in touch with some one like that.
 
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