DIGITAL At Least a Dozen 2002/2003 Elliot Scheiner 5.1 Mixes Have a LFE Issue (info/list/fixes inside)

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I finally finished going through my entire library, I don't have extensive notes on every track/release as there were often exceptions and variations on individual tracks and I just wanted to slog through it all. Plus if you are obsessive enough to fix this stuff, I imagine you will want to verify things yourself.

One consistent set of releases of note. All the Steven Wilson XTC and Yes releases have a 10ms LFE delay except for XTC Psurroundabout Ride.
You didn't happen to check any of his Jethro Tull releases, did you? It would be interesting if his lossy mixes don't have an LFE delay, but his lossless ones do.
 
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You didn't happen to check any of his Jethro Tull releases, did you? It would be interesting if his lossy mixes don't have an LFE but his lossless ones do.

All the Jethro Tull releases were fine, no LFE delay, except the Aqualung Blu-ray which I actually couldn't figure out. Some releases have the the low pass filter set low enough it is hard to correlate with any of the other channels.
 

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All the Jethro Tull releases were fine, no LFE delay, except the Aqualung Blu-ray which I actually couldn't figure out. Some releases have the the low pass filter set low enough it is hard to correlate with any of the other channels.

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MAYBE...just maybe ...the delay was intentional (??) taking into account that 1 ms is roughly 1 foot distance and that subwoofers are usually farther away than the rest of speakers, it sounds approximately right... 5ms equals 5 foot distance...

Just saying...

Quite possibly, Kap, but how about listeners who have full range speakers and NO subs?

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MAYBE...just maybe ...the delay was intentional (??) taking into account that 1 ms is roughly 1 foot distance and that subwoofers are usually farther away than the rest of speakers, it sounds approximately right... 5ms equals 5 foot distance...

Just saying...

Very much doubt they would mix for "how some people that don't calibrate their speaker settings might place their speakers". My sub is the same distance as my speakers and any system with a mic and speaker setup tones is going to adjust delays for the sub distance anyway.

Also, adding delay to the LFE would compensate for the subwoofer being closer than the rest of the speakers, not further.
 
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I figured I would test my ears and see if I notice any difference. I ripped my Elliot Schneider
Night at the Opera DVD-A and corrected the 6ms lag in the LFE channel. I created a Blu-ray
which allowed me to use the on screen lyrics from the DVD-V layer with the lossless surround
audio. I'll have time Friday to check out the results. I have a feeling my old ears won't hear any
difference but you never know.
 

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I figured I would test my ears and see if I notice any difference. I ripped my Elliot Schneider
Night at the Opera DVD-A and corrected the 6ms lag in the LFE channel. I created a Blu-ray
which allowed me to use the on screen lyrics from the DVD-V layer with the lossless surround
audio. I'll have time Friday to check out the results. I have a feeling my old ears won't hear any
difference but you never know.

My conclusion after fixing a lot of these is that you'll probably find the bass is more pronounced, maybe too much so. I've concluded that when they set the levels, this error was in place so using their ears they adjusted the LFE for the amount of bass they wanted. Fixing the offset increases the bass, but that isn't what they were listening to when they mastered it, so, maybe too much.
 

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It's good to try, but I wouldn't take such results conclusively without a blind comparison setup, and/or a set of bass output level measurements to match.
 
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