The ones on films could have more pan positions because the mixes for films were made on Moviolas or Foleys which had more track capability. The number of pan positions is limited by the number of audio film gates that are connected to the editors. They keep all of the pieces of film in simultaneous frame sync.It is incorrect everything before Revolver was all left and right. A Hard Day’s Night, Beatles For Sale and Help were not mixed all left and right.
[And FWIW all left and right is not “no panning”. If anything, summing the twin tracks to mono for the first two LPs would be no panning...]
And I disagree that all of the albums before Revolver sound better in mono, but that’s subjective. Beatles For Sale, for starters, is much better in stereo than mono, IMO.
Say what?This album...
Timeless songs no matter what else. I don't like the Muzak style Spector overdubs. I really hate what he did to Across the Universe. Crude stuff next to the finesse the Martin and Co team had. The stereo album sounded more the fidelity of Revolver than in between the White album and Abbey Road. Which is still pretty darn good! In hindsight I think this is one of the best mixes Spector ever did. Not to give him props. What I'm saying is there's so much room for improvement or alternate mixes like what "Naked" tried to do. I still listen to the 1st two tracks off the vinyl often enough. There's still a lot to like and a lot of fidelity. It's only his mix of Universe I skip exclusively.
Listened to some of the 5.1 remix. I hear what actually sounds like tape drags or stretches or something. The fidelity is poor in general like the Naked release. Poor next to the original Spector mixes and that's an accomplishment! Or the tapes are just not there anymore which is probably what's going on. This release is silly. All the same Spector elements and moves are in this. Butchering Across the Universe the same way and everything.
The Glyn Johns mixes sound brightened and fatiguing. I liked the troubled minidisc "Nagra reels" better at first glance. At 2nd glance... well, the minidisc copies are a generational mess with severe loss! The mastering faux pas with the bright mid scooped sound could be eq'd and these new copies would be in so much better shape. Still not good to notice better midrange elements on a bootleg copy vs the official release.
Trying to listen past the fidelity to the mix. It feels like random isolated bits that happened to be possible to isolate in the surrounds more than something really intentional. That shouldn't be bad in itself. The stereo is goofy and blunt too but still sounds intentional. There's some effort in this and the mix isn't just some whack job like some weird remixes. The original Spector mix is more immersive and high fidelity to me though. There was so much room for doing stuff here. Of course the original had to be presented. Just seems like a big missed opportunity. Maybe the tapes are seriously not there anymore. The waveforms don't look like an upmix... The fronts sure look bricked wall limited a little though. Probably no more than 6db. Not totally flattened and honestly, probably transparent sounding and just a little louder. This is a little bright but not like the Nagra reels tracks.
I was just thinking about the “losing its soul” comment. The production rate of this group over such a short time is absurd. If The Beatles had the same production rate as a contemporary group, let’s say Maroon 5, Revolver would have been released in 1981, not 1966. And that doesn’t even consider the prodigious number of singles that were never on the UK albums.It's an 8 from me. The surround mix is definitely better than the John Lennon 5.1 mixes and better than the all things must pass. However the music is a band losing its soul and the passion isn't there. I believe this is probably the best surround mix possible for these songs.
And John and Paul were like 28 or 29. Think Ringo would have been over 30 and George a few years younger. I sure didn't accomplish that much by that age. Of course, still haven't. It's incredible how much great music they did in such a short time.I was just thinking about the “losing its soul” comment. The production rate of this group over such a short time is absurd. If The Beatles had the same production rate as a contemporary group, let’s say Maroon 5, Revolver would have been released in 1981, not 1966. And that doesn’t even consider the prodigious number of singles that were never on the UK albums.
The original mono recording of guitar and vocal (that was overdubbed to) is isolated in the center channel, FYI. Running at the wrong speed as the Spector mix does but we have lossless speed correction now.I gave it a 9 because on Across The Universe in the Atmos/Dolby Tru HD mix you don't hear the violins and other instruments as much as you hear the acoustic guitar