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HiRez Poll Doobie Brothers, The - QUADIO [Blu-ray Audio]

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Rate the BDA of the Doobie Brothers - QUADIO

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atomicdog

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I purchased this Quadio and sold it. Not sure what everyone else hears but I realize on this group to criticize something that the majority praise is not accepted.
The sound is terrible .. period.
I found the levels to be uneven across the quad mixes--some of the guitar intros were almost inaudible. Never spent so much time fiddling with the settings in an attempt to get it right. I had to play reference recordings just to convince myself I hadn't gone crazy. When the mix was even the tracks could sound quite amazing.
 

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Mine arrived down the bottom of the planet. I've listened to them all and find them superb in all respects:

1. I'm only a casual Doobies fan, knowing only the "hits" but have really enjoyed getting into the albums.
2. Surround mix is tip top. Tons of constant discrete content, dueling drumkits (whoa!), floating vocals right behind my head, wow.
3. Fidelity is excellent.
4. Great value.
5. Amazing how they nailed surround mixing ~50 years ago and these days, weak surround mixes are being released, eh? I'm sure the problem is mainly with someone with authority in the band who won't allow anything that remotely monkeys with their stereo vision but as long as the stereo version is still available, it would be good if they stepped aside and let the engineers at it.

This is a great set and I'm glad I bought it. I voted a 10.
 

skherbeck

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I found the levels to be uneven across the quad mixes--some of the guitar intros were almost inaudible. Never spent so much time fiddling with the settings in an attempt to get it right. I had to play reference recordings just to convince myself I hadn't gone crazy. When the mix was even the tracks could sound quite amazing.
I have to agree... I made adjustments to multiple song levels as well as certain parts within songs; that being said, once I got the levels adjusted to my liking, this is a fantastic sounding set! (Although Scheiner’s mix is still my preferred version of “Captain”)
 

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I have to agree... I made adjustments to multiple song levels as well as certain parts within songs; that being said, once I got the levels adjusted to my liking, this is a fantastic sounding set! (Although Scheiner’s mix is still my preferred version of “Captain”)
So you are saying individual tracks are cut at different levels within the same album, correct?

How did you accomplish changing levels of parts within songs? Just an adjustment to the surrounds, CC, etc? Or something more complex.

I have to admit, the 1st time I played the ripped tracks (not the actual disk), something was amiss, and I still don't know what it was. Levels were off and channels seemed mixed up. I checked other sources and eventually re-booted the system. And then all was right again. I was wondering if could have had something to do with the 192kHz sample rate and my prepro not adjusting for it correctly. Haven't had the problem again though.
 

jimfisheye

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I have to agree... I made adjustments to multiple song levels as well as certain parts within songs; that being said, once I got the levels adjusted to my liking, this is a fantastic sounding set! (Although Scheiner’s mix is still my preferred version of “Captain”)
I'll suggest that the mid scoop eq in the mastering here alters the mixes a little. The drum transients and cymbals come forward and the "meat" in the instruments gets pushed back.

I'll follow that comment with noting that a listener could tweak or remaster this and it would come back. The mid scooped mastering doesn't cross the line of genuine destruction. The original balance could be restored with nothing lost. Nothing is distorted or dynamically crushed. This could be pulled and tugged into a different eq profile with no loss. The original sound is still in there and with the pristine HD delivery it could be moved around some with no damage.

It's all fun in theory! I don't have the master tapes in front of me and thus I'm speculating. That's what I think I hear. I'm more of a "work the volume control as needed" kind of guy vs being enamored by a bright flashy loud surface layer. YMMV
 

sjcorne

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How did you accomplish changing levels of parts within songs?
I've got "Jesus Is Just Alright" open in Audacity right now. If wanted to boost just the middle section (with the vocals in the rears) by 2 dB, I could highlight that area and go to effect->amplify. You can even boost, cut, or apply EQ to specific sections of individual channels if you feel it's necessary.

Doobies DAW Boost.jpg
 

ar surround

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I'll suggest that the mid scoop eq in the mastering here alters the mixes a little. The drum transients and cymbals come forward and the "meat" in the instruments gets pushed back.

I'll follow that comment with noting that a listener could tweak or remaster this and it would come back. The mid scooped mastering doesn't cross the line of genuine destruction. The original balance could be restored with nothing lost. Nothing is distorted or dynamically crushed. This could be pulled and tugged into a different eq profile with no loss. The original sound is still in there and with the pristine HD delivery it could be moved around some with no damage.

It's all fun in theory! I don't have the master tapes in front of me and thus I'm speculating. That's what I think I hear. I'm more of a "work the volume control as needed" kind of guy vs being enamored by a bright flashy loud surface layer. YMMV
So Jim, do you have any suggestions that we could try using Audacity to compensate for the mid scoop EQ? Would the compensation be a nice bell shaped curve...say with a peak of 2db at 1000Hz? Just guessing...
 

EricKalet

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QUOTE="fredblue, post: 524743, member: 4041"]
wow what a mess the Poll for this very important release is becoming.. 🙁
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Nah just good conversation albeit slightly off on a tangent
 

jimfisheye

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So Jim, do you have any suggestions that we could try using Audacity to compensate for the mid scoop EQ? Would the compensation be a nice bell shaped curve...say with a peak of 2db at 1000Hz? Just guessing...
I can't really guess off the top of my head. I noted this but I also just listened to it rather than making this one an interactive listening project and studying it. My comment stands but this is also still in nicer shape then a lot of things we listen to after all.

However the eq'ing that I disagree with was done, I'd keep any rework strictly to cuts only. (We don't need eq distortion here!) Listen and try to identify the high shelf (or band) to pull back. Same for the low end. Then makeup gain. I'm a parallel processing addict these days. I'd probably try to isolate the mid band that I believe has been reduced with crossover style linear phase eq and then mix it back into the full program. There should be headroom there to add the mids back in without reducing the level of the master as is. (Or at least close.)
 

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Just have to say again that I think that these mixes are fantastic just the way they are. I especially like "The Captain and Me". I would not change a thing. That being said it's nice that with modern digital techniques we can rip the disc and edit it with programs such as Audition or Audacity to suit our individual preferences or tastes. I'm a big fan of most Quad mixes but lukewarm to most modern 5.1 mixes. Often with the 5.1 mix I like to bring up the rear levels by 1-3 dB, and mix in the sub bass as well, just to suit my own taste!
 

fredblue

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while i'm not a megafan of the "smiley face" EQ used on these, its not a major hurdle and easily overcome if i just shut off Audyssey so all the bass and treble compensation that the AVR does in my current less than ideal coronabollocks enforced listening space (open plan, tiled floors, few soft furnishings, one entire side wall's a set of french windows) gets sucked out of the room and the sound flattens down somewhat, otherwise i find the low end's a tad overcooked.

the transfers themselves are pristine, the mixes are still some of the best Quad had to offer and the set's clearly been put together with real TLC.

for all the overwhelmingly good things i feel this release represents, to me its a "10".
 

Kevan Llama

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My copy arrived last week.
I'm in Australia and the easiest option was to order it from Warner Brothers here it cost $A130 plus $A9.95 postage and took about 10 days

I have a reasonable surround system, Oppo UDP 203, Yamaha amp, Wharfdale mains and older Jamo mains for rear speakers.

Like the Chicago Quadio (except the 2 discs that had mono instead of stereo tracks - email Dr Rhino they will replace disks 2 and 9) Doobie Brothers Quadio is excellent, being in 24/192 quad.

The quality is excellent as is the discreteness in the quad mixes and use of the rear speakers.

I really hope more Quadio 24/192 releases happen
 

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I don't normally purchase music by bands I don't know well, but I decided to take a gamble on this because of the outstanding reviews of this surround release on this forum. I'll be the first to admit that the music doesn't do much for me at the moment, but the sound quality and quad mix are truly outstanding.

I would normally deduct a point if the music is not entirely to my taste, but I'm making an exception in this case because these discs are so thoroughly enjoyable to listen to. I awarded a 10, and hopefully over time the music will grow on me too.
 
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