Daniel John
Senior Member
PF Animals. Sometime in the next decade would be nice..
If this ever happens, I'd like them to take a stab at OBC or ASOS next.PF Animals. Sometime in the next decade would be nice..![]()
OBC was supposedly mixed in 5.1 by Andy Jackson when he mixed Meddle in 5.1, but Roger Waters was not consulted and would not approve either release but his guy Jamie Guthrie did not do them.If this ever happens, I'd like them to take a stab at OBC or ASOS next.
Were the reasons Meddle was pulled (but not pulled) ever reported anywhere? Aside from internet gossip I never read anything concrete.OBC was supposedly mixed in 5.1 by Andy Jackson when he mixed Meddle in 5.1, but Roger Waters was not consulted and would not approve either release but his guy Jamie Guthrie did not do them.
Someone in the Floyd camp (maybe Guthrie?) commented that he didn't think anything before AHM could be mixed in 5.1 because there are not enough discrete elements on the tapes (from too many overdubds?).
Vernon Fitch, PF's archivist, stopped by the forum back in November 2016 and said this:Were the reasons Meddle was pulled (but not pulled) ever reported anywhere? Aside from internet gossip I never read anything concrete.
If I were in a band, I'd be mad if my bandmates decided to remix music I helped compose without my knowledge.I can verify that James Guthrie had nothing to do with the 5.1 mixes of Meddle and OBC being pulled from the set. He was not involved in what was put on the set, or what was left off the set. It would have been a better box set if he had been involved.
Roger Waters is the one who had the mixes pulled from the set because no told him that the mixes were being done, and no one bothered to play the mixes for him. All previous 5.1 mixes (DSOTM & WYWH) were played for all the band members for their input and approval prior to releasing them. This time round no one bothered, and the result was that they got pulled.
Vernon Fitch
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Thanks for sharing that. I have a few of Vernon's books and he's a great source. I agree and understand why he'd be pissed. If I remember correctly, Van Morrison was also upset that the 5.1 Moondance was done without his approval. Matter of respect.Vernon Fitch, PF's archivist, stopped by the forum back in November 2016 and said this:
If I were in a band, I'd be mad if my bandmates decided to remix music I helped compose without my knowledge.
The Pros and Cons: In Van's case, none other than Elliot Scheiner remixed Moondance to great effect while carefully respecting Morrison's original intent and it did languish in Warner's vaults for 40 years or so before being released by Warner as a LOSSLESS BD~A. Only wish Morrison had allowed Scheiner to remix ALL of his classic output as, IMO, they could ALL use a 5.1 remix.....and probably not only sound better than ever but find a whole new and apprecitive audience.Thanks for sharing that. I have a few of Vernon's books and he's a great source. I agree and understand why he'd be pissed. If I remember correctly, Van Morrison was also upset that the 5.1 Moondance was done without his approval. Matter of respect.
I'd pay anything for a surround mix of Astral Weeks. Literally, anything.The Pros and Cons: In Van's case, none other than Elliot Scheiner remixed Moondance to great effect while carefully respecting Morrison's original intent and it did languish in Warner's vaults for 40 years or so before being released by Warner as a LOSSLESS BD~A. Only wish Morrison had allowed Scheiner to remix ALL of his classic output as, IMO, they could ALL use a 5.1 remix.....and probably not only sound better than ever but find a whole new and apprecitive audience.
And let's face it, Van is not exactly renowned for his 'Rosy Disposition!'
Which is my exact point, NGV! I did add a few more lines to my original above post and Van Morrison is rightfully pissed that Warner does control those phenomenol early master tapes of what is considered his best output. I would also love to hear Veedon Fleece which in surround would render it more spiritually ethereal than it ever sounded in Stereo....MOST especially if Scheiner had a crack at that, Astral Weeks, Tupelo Honey and Saint Dominic's Preview...et alia [that list goes on and on]!I'd pay anything for a surround mix of Astral Weeks. Literally, anything.
Would love to hear a 5.1 of Queensryche's Operation: Mindcrimecocept album, great rock / metal music, mutliple singers / characters, phone and rain effects i did ask the band if there were any 30th anniversary plans and got a ‘no’ as the album was in control of the record company not the band.
If anyone wants to sell the dvd-a of Empire, feel free to let me know
Sadly since much of it was overdubbed on the multitracks it might be difficult to do a proper surround mix. It's been reported on Queen forums that the multitracks from that era are 16 track. Still that might be enough to work with.Agree ,Queen ll The multi-layered overdubs became trademark of Queen