HiRez Poll Harrison, George - ALL THINGS MUST PASS [Blu-Ray Audio (Dolby Atmos)]

[James Jay]

I find that the Atmos surround mix (7.2.4) is quite good but as others have noted the bass needs to be dropped around -5 db. I find some songs, particularly the first couple tracks have too much bass and the Atmos mix not that great but starting with Wah Wah the Atmos mix was pretty solid for the rest of the double album minus the jam tracks. The demo tracks / alternate tracks are pretty nice IMO. So I deduct 1 point for the excess bass and box set price and give this box set a 9 for great material and nice Atmos mix. JMHO

 

[GOS]

I'm listening again, and I just do not find any of the bass offensive in any way. In fact, I would much prefer the bass be more pronounced...than anemic. I still totally dig how this sounds...considering home my CD sounds in comparison. Is my 10 a little high? Maybe......and I do admit to letting my emotions get in the way a bit. To have such title sound this great is a win win for me. Love it loud!

 

[James Jay]

I'm listening again, and I just do not find any of the bass offensive in any way. In fact, I would much prefer the bass be more pronounced...than anemic. I still totally dig how this sounds...considering home my CD sounds in comparison. Is my 10 a little high? Maybe......and I do admit to letting my emotions get in the way a bit. To have such title sound this great is a win win for me. Love it loud!

I prefer more bass myself usually but the bass on the All Things Must Pass - Atmos mix is dense: like the bass guitar is blended together with the drums instead of being able to hear the bass guitar individual parts from the drums. In fact, ATMP is the first surround mix I have ever lowered the bass in a surround mix. Minus 3 - 5 db so far and still playing with lowering / raising the subwoofer level.

 

[marcb]

DVD-Audio Extractor rips blu-rays?

Yes, but they need to be de-encrypted first. I do that with MakeMKV.

 

[GOS]

like the bass guitar is blended together with the drums instead of being able to hear the bass guitar individual parts from the drums.

Ah, OK. I really haven't noticed that, but I wasn't looking for it either. Generally, what I focus on is vocals, lead guitar and drums. Yes, I do like the bass guitar, only it's not high on my priority list to listen to. Well, unless it's a known monster player....like Jaco.

 

[paligap]

Yes, but they need to be de-encrypted first. I do that with MakeMKV.

Ah, I may have been confused by the term "rip". I think of ripping as what DVDAE does with DVDs and what MakeMKV does with blu-rays.

 

[marcb]

I prefer more bass myself usually but the bass on the All Things Must Pass - Atmos mix is dense: like the bass guitar is blended together with the drums instead of being able to hear the bass guitar individual parts from the drums. In fact, ATMP is the first surround mix I have ever lowered the bass in a surround mix. Minus 3 - 5 db so far and still playing with lowering / raising the subwoofer level.

I’m listening to the Atmos mix folded down to 5.1, but that shouldn’t impact sub levels - I don’t hear anything wrong with the sub levels.

I see people here constantly mentioning fiddling with levels and I just don’t get it. The vast, vast majority of surround releases sound fine - level wise - to me.

 

[marcb]

Ah, I may have been confused by the term "rip". I think of ripping as what DVDAE does with DVDs and what MakeMKV does with blu-rays.

Yes, the semantics are a little blurry.

I see it as a two part process - decrypting and ripping (although that’s probably not technically correct either). Once decrypted, the process of ripping DVDs and BD files in DVDAE is essentially the same. It’s had this capability for years.

 

[jimfisheye]

I'm listening again, and I just do not find any of the bass offensive in any way. In fact, I would much prefer the bass be more pronounced...than anemic.

All true. And the anemic bass on those original Spector mixes is striking and terrible for that!

Try this though:

Turn the bass range down in the fronts 10db with a low shelf that goes up to 170Hz.
Now turn the whole thing up (monitor volume) so the bass is back where it was. You'll hear the awesome bass is still there and still awesome but NOW you'll hear the midrange components of all this 1970's era goodness that was intended to be there back in the mix. And the high end comes into perspective too. That 'flat' sound is the entire program down to 170Hz being 10db behind the bumpin' kick and bass. Oh, and turn down the center 2db. Now the 4 corners come back.

Even with flaws, just about anything could sound better than the original for this one! It's worth your time to not settle for this one as it is out of the box though.

Could this be an example of that phenomenon where you find yourself emphasizing the elements that were buried in the original maybe a little too much when you do a remix? This is a thing.
My guess is still that is went to the wrong mastering guy. I'd wager a guess that the first version he turned in also has the stereotypical harsh high end blast. Someone actually listened to it and complained and made him turn that off but the bass hype still got through. That's my ass talking there but that's going to be my guess. And we got really lucky for that! (No harsh high end boost I mean.)

Sleeper of an album for sure as mentioned. The sum of the parts and all that...
There are still moments and the man sounded good when he played. He really got done dirty by the original production.

 

[ar surround]

For me personally, this set is of monumental importance: It is the one product that has gotten me to jump into Atmos.

 

[temporaryhuman]

All true. And the anemic bass on those original Spector mixes is striking and terrible for that!

Try this though:

Turn the bass range down in the fronts 10db with a low shelf that goes up to 170Hz.
Now turn the whole thing up (monitor volume) so the bass is back where it was. You'll hear the awesome bass is still there and still awesome but NOW you'll hear the midrange components of all this 1970's era goodness that was intended to be there back in the mix. And the high end comes into perspective too. That 'flat' sound is the entire program down to 170Hz being 10db behind the bumpin' kick and bass. Oh, and turn down the center 2db. Now the 4 corners come back.

Even with flaws, just about anything could sound better than the original for this one! It's worth your time to not settle for this one as it is out of the box though.

Could this be an example of that phenomenon where you find yourself emphasizing the elements that were buried in the original maybe a little too much when you do a remix? This is a thing.
My guess is still that is went to the wrong mastering guy. I'd wager a guess that the first version he turned in also has the stereotypical harsh high end blast. Someone actually listened to it and complained and made him turn that off but the bass hype still got through. That's my ass talking there but that's going to be my guess. And we got really lucky for that! (No harsh high end boost I mean.)

Sleeper of an album for sure as mentioned. The sum of the parts and all that...
There are still moments and the man sounded good when he played. He really got done dirty by the original production.

Nobody is doing all that. Real shame it is messed up.

 

[LuvMyQuad]

Nobody is doing all that. Real shame it is messed up.

Why not?

 

[paligap]

Nobody is doing all that. Real shame it is messed up.

If I knew how to do it, I might try. But does this pertain to all the mixes, or just one, or some?

 

[jimfisheye]

If I knew how to do it, I might try. But does this pertain to all the mixes, or just one, or some?

The whole thing.

As far as alterations go, this one is on the simple side. But it's also computer DAW app thing and not just a tone knob on a receiver.

Yeah ya know, the accolades here are deserved. The errant mastering if you will is on the less damaging side of things and nothing next to some of the mayhem released in the wild. All the same, this stuff needs to be called out! It's 2021 and this is a posh HD release. Of a former Beatle!

 

[atrocity]

I know that with my equipment I have to rip the 7.1 to wav instead of flac in order to get it to play. My receiver (or the Oppo, not sure which), does not like 7.1 Flac.

I never thought to try WAV! Though leaving it as TrueHD in an MKV will make the Atmos available if I ever upgrade.

 

[paligap]

The whole thing.

As far as alterations go, this one is on the simple side. But it's also computer DAW app thing and not just a tone knob on a receiver.

Yeah ya know, the accolades here are deserved. The errant mastering if you will is on the less damaging side of things and nothing next to some of the mayhem released in the wild. All the same, this stuff needs to be called out! It's 2021 and this is a posh HD release. Of a former Beatle!

Ah, I've inverted phase, compensated for delays, swapped channels, etc. in digital files, but I have no experience with a DAW.

 

[jimfisheye]

Ah, I've inverted phase, compensated for delays, swapped channels, etc. in digital files, but I have no experience with a DAW.

Digital Audio Workstation
eg. Audacity, Reaper, Logic, etc

The software will look much like a mixing board and aims to be familiar when you've used a mixing board before. Instead of a dedicated built-in channel eq, you insert the eq plugin of your choice. The DAW apps will have their stock eq, compressor, etc plugins for the basics.

 

[Guy Robinson]

I prefer more bass myself usually but the bass on the All Things Must Pass - Atmos mix is dense: like the bass guitar is blended together with the drums instead of being able to hear the bass guitar individual parts from the drums. In fact, ATMP is the first surround mix I have ever lowered the bass in a surround mix. Minus 3 - 5 db so far and still playing with lowering / raising the subwoofer level.

I have one of my 3 subs totally shut off to play this Blu-Ray.

 

[James Jay]

I have one of my 3 subs totally shut off to play this Blu-Ray.

Never thought of that. I might try shutting off one of my subs.

 

[LuvMyQuad]

Never thought of that. I might try shutting off one of my subs.

Its not a low bass issue. Its a mid bass issue mixed to the mains. The subs contribute very little to it.