HiRez Poll Isley Brothers, The - 3+3, LIVE IT UP & GO FOR YOUR GUNS [SACD]

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Rate the SACD of The Isley Brothers - 3+3, LIVE IT UP & GO FOR YOUR GUNS

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Please post your thoughts and comments on this 2024 Multichannel SACD from Dutton Vocalion containing three albums from The Isley Brothers
This Multichannel SACD features the first official release of the Live It Up & Go For Your Guns Quadraphonic mixes since the 1970s!

Note that the Quadraphonic mix of 3+3 was previously released on SACD in 2001. This poll only concerns the 2024 Dutton-Vocalion release.

3+3

LP KZ 32453 (1973) STEREO/PZQ 32453 QUADRAPHONIC

1 THAT LADY (E, M Isley; Jasper)
2 DON’T LET ME BE LONELY TONIGHT (Taylor)
3 IF YOU WERE THERE (E, M Isley; Jasper)
4 YOU WALK YOUR WAY (E, M Isley; Jasper)
5 LISTEN TO THE MUSIC (Johnston)
6 WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO (E, M Isley; Jasper)
7 SUNSHINE (GO AWAY TODAY) (Edwards)
8 SUMMER BREEZE (Seals; Crofts)
9 THE HIGHWAYS OF MY LIFE (R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)

Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, O’Kelly Isley (vocals)
Ernie Isley (electric guitar [CD 1 1, 3–7], 6-string acoustic guitar [CD 1 2, 5, 8], 12-string acoustic guitar [CD 1 9], maracas [CD 1 6], tom-toms [CD 1 6], electric piano [CD 1 8])
Chris Jasper (piano [CD 1 1–4, 6, 8–9], electric guitar [CD 1 2], clavinet [CD 1 3, 5–7], electric piano [CD 1 3–9], Moog synthesizer [CD 1 7–9])
Marvin Isley (bass guitar)
Truman Thomas (organ [CD 1 1, 3–6])
Rocky (congas)
George Moreland (drums [CD 1 1–3, 5–7], tom-toms [CD 1 6])
Recorded at Record Plant West, Los Angeles
Recording engineers: Malcolm Cecil, Robert Margouleff
Quadraphonic remix engineers: Malcolm Cecil, Robert Margouleff
Producers: Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, O’Kelly Isley

LIVE IT UP
LP PZ 33070 (1974) STEREO/PZQ 33070 QUADRAPHONIC

10 LIVE IT UP (PARTS 1 & 2) (R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)
11 BROWN-EYED GIRL (R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)
12 NEED A LITTLE TASTE OF LOVE (R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)
13 LOVER’S EVE (R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)

CD 2

1 MIDNIGHT SKY (PARTS 1 & 2) (R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)
2 HELLO, IT’S ME (Rundgren)
3 AIN’T I BEEN GOOD TO YOU (PARTS 1 & 2) (R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)

Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, O’Kelly Isley (vocals)
Ernie Isley (drums [CD 1 10], electric guitar [CD 1 10, 12; CD 2 1–3], 6-string acoustic guitar [CD 1 11–13; CD 2 2], 12-string acoustic guitar [CD 1 12], tambourine [CD 1 12])
Chris Jasper (electric piano [CD 1 10, 13; CD 2 1–3], clavinet [CD 1 10, 12; CD 2 1, 3], ARP synthesizer [CD 1 10], maracas [CD 1 12], piano [CD 1 11, 13; CD 2 1], Moog synthesizer [CD 1 13; CD 2 1, 3])
Marvin Isley (bass guitar)
Truman Thomas (organ [CD 2 3])
Karl Potter (congas [CD 1 11–12; CD 2 1, 3])
George Moreland (drums [CD 1 11–13; CD 2 1–3], woodblock [CD 1 12])
Recorded at Record Plant, Los Angeles
Associate production, engineering and synthesizer programming: Malcolm Cecil, Robert Margouleff
Assistant engineer: Gary Ozabul
Mixed at Westlake Audio, Los Angeles
Assistant mixing engineer: Joan De Cola
Remixed in quadraphonic at Studio 3, Kendun Recorders, California, 30 August 1974
Quadraphonic remix engineer: Kent Duncan
Producers: The Isley Brothers

GO FOR YOUR GUNS
LP PZ 34432 (1977) STEREO/PZQ 34432 QUADRAPHONIC

4 THE PRIDE (PARTS 1 & 2)
5 FOOTSTEPS IN THE DARK (PARTS 1 & 2)
6 TELL ME WHEN YOU NEED IT AGAIN (PARTS 1 & 2)
7 CLIMBIN’ UP THE LADDER (PARTS 1 & 2)
8 VOYAGE TO ATLANTIS
9 LIVIN’ IN THE LIFE
10 GO FOR YOUR GUNS (all R, R, M, O, E Isley; Jasper)

Ronald Isley, Rudolph Isley, O’Kelly Isley (vocals)
Ernie Isley (electric guitar, drums)
Marvin Isley (bass guitar)
Chris Jasper (keyboards)
Everett Collins (congas [CD 2 6])
Arrangements: The Isley Brothers & Chris Jasper
Recorded at Bearsville Studios, New York, December 1976–January 1977
Recording engineers: John Holbrook, Thomas Mark
Mixed at Mediasound Studios, New York
Quadraphonic sound and remix supervision: Thomas Mark
Quadraphonic remix engineer: Larry Keyes
Producers: The Isley Brothers & Chris Jasper

Remastered by Michael J. Dutton

Multi-Channel/Stereo
All tracks available in stereo and multi-channel

SACD
These Hybrid CDs can be played on any standard CD player

2CDSML 8581

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Pre-release thread for all shipping/ordering queries and non-poll related posts:
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...isley-bros-hair-ost-enoch-light-tomita.36138/
 
a veritable desert island release, i've longed to hear these old Quads in this kind of quality for so long i almost gave up hope of any of them ever materialising on SACD etc. and woo-hoo the Whizzo Wonder of Watford answered the call and made my dreams come true!! 😍💘🙏

sometimes i like to see just how good value some of this stuff is.. and these Isley Quads are no exception 💅🥂

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it took me 3 copies of the "Live It Up" SQ Quad LP to get a decent enough playing copy, 2 copies of "Go For Your Guns" SQ Quad LP (the first disc i picked up was pressed off-centre and there was all this distortion and sibilance so i don't know what that was all about, the next one i found was sealed but it was £37 plus shipping! 😅😂 ) and i got the Japanese SQ LP of "3+3" primarily for Surround Master testing and comparison purposes since i had the old Sony SACD and was happy with that.. anyway.. having kept lists of my music purchases over the years i worked out that wee wodge of vinyl set me back a grand total of £119 (+ shipping) and these spanky new Vocalion SACDs a mere snip by comparison at £23.99 plus p&p..!! 🙌🤯🤩

i will go into greater depth at a later date but suffice to say for now there's no way this set can be anything less for me than a "10".
 
Were the vocals always mixed behind the listener on the quad release of "Climbin' Up the Ladder"? It's throwing me for a loop a bit because none of the songs so far on this set mixed the lead vocals behind the listener.

Great balance between the front and backs throughout the album, btw.
 
Were the vocals always mixed behind the listener on the quad release of "Climbin' Up the Ladder"? It's throwing me for a loop a bit because none of the songs so far on this set mixed the lead vocals behind the listener.
The lead vocals in that song are double-tracked, but for the quad mix they put one part in front center and the other in rear center. I've always thought it sounded cool, and the technique isn't uncommon in surround mixes today (see Steven Wilson's 5.1/Atmos mixes of "Holiday" from Rick Wright's Wet Dream or "My Wife" from Who's Next, for example).
 
I find it hard to put into words, but there's something about the Isley quads that is distinctly different from other quads I've heard. Maybe it's the instruments not being as hard panned as other quads? I'm not sure. It definitely feels less segmented than some other mixes I've heard. (By "segmented", I mean a clear delineation between the rears and the fronts that creates a sense of dissonance in the music itself.)

Even though I have issues with segmentation I noted (in general, not with this mix, mind you), a factor of a good surround sound mix for me is that you can't remove the rears or fronts without something majorly substantial being gone or lacking from the song as a result. And that release has it in spades, with the rears essentially carrying the same weight as the fronts throughout playback.

Something about how the surround sound is mixed is just so natural too, like I arrived in an alternate dimension where quad became the mixing standard. Perhaps someone else can put into words better what I'm thinking here? I can't quite pinpoint why it sounds that way to me.
 
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I find it hard to put into words, but there's something about the Isley quads that is distinctly different from other quads I've heard. Maybe it's the instruments not being as hard panned as other quads? I'm not sure. It definitely feels less segmented than some other mixes I've heard. (By "segmented", I mean a clear delineation between the rears and the fronts that creates a sense of dissonance in the music itself.)

Even though I have issues with segmentation I noted, a factor of a good surround sound mix for me is that you can't remove the rears or fronts without something majorly substantial being gone or lacking from the song as a result. And that release has it in spades, with the rears essentially carrying the same weight as the fronts throughout playback.

Something about how the surround sound is mixed is just so natural too, like I arrived in an alternate dimension where quad became the mixing standard. Perhaps someone else can put into words better what I'm thinking here? I can't quite pinpoint why it sounds that way to me.
short on time as back at work in ooh 25 mins 😅 but i'll do my best to summarise what i think maybe a couple of factors contributing to the phenomenon you are experiencing;

1.) some of the Isley Quad mixes (at least 1 of the albums, "The Heat Is On" and i suspect "Live It Up" as well) for some reason appear to be from SQ matrix encoded sources.

a theory i've seen touted on QQ is that discrete sources never existed for the mixes in the first place. the Quads in question were mixed and output directly to an SQ encoder for some reason, rather than being simultaneously output in 4-channel discrete and SQ-encoded 2-channel, as was the case for the vast majority of Quads released on labels under the CBS umbrella, one of which was The Isley's T-Neck label.

2.) something they used to call the "Blend" or Blending. this was where channel separation in a mix was diminished, mainly but not always for decoding purposes, sometimes it would be a conscious decision by the mix engineer.

the upshot for such mixes is there will never be the level of Front to Back separation that can be achieved with a discrete source.

the end result however can feel somewhat smoother and more open with a bigger room size to the Surround soundfield than a discrete presentation may create.

anyway that's my two pennuth, i've gtg, i'll post back with more on these new SACDs later on 👍
 
I'm not voting yet as my first listen to disc 1 wasn't too serious-cooking dinner. That said, I can't say I was that impressed with 3+3, compressed and I thought I heard dropout???? I know this album pretty well as I've had the standard issue cd for years which sounded ok. To be continued... Surround on 3+3 was ok, not a lot of rear info but adequate, I just thought this would sound better.
 
Like @fredblue, I've bought all the quad LPs and listened to various tape conversions over the years. None of them can compare with this set. Great mixes, great sound, great value.

Review over at IAA: https://immersiveaudioalbum.com/the-isley-brothers-33-live-it-up-go-for-your-guns-4-0-quadraphonic/
Thanks for the link to that thorough review of DV's excellent release of these classic Isley Brothers releases. I've even been able to turn my younger gen Z son onto some of their stuff.
 
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