That nails it. Each time I listen hoping it will make sense. It doesn't.Ed Bishop said:... The first thing that struck me, after first listen, was something was all wrong: not so much that the live cuts were basically reverbed in back(to be fair, there is some crowd isolation, though that's hardly impressive), with the band in front--makes a bit of sense given the vintage of the recording--but that the studio recordings were, essentially, mixed the same way. Does this make any sense?...
In light of everyone elses posts... And given what I said previously about this album, which I still believe to be true... And considering how I've rated other discs... I am beginning to wonder if I voted slightly higher than I should have? If I were to re-vote, I'd probably go with something not too much lower than a 7, but still somewhat lower? Hmmm... It makes me think.Eugenius said:I'm finding myself agreeing with those who said that the surround mix might not be so hot. I don't necessarily have a problem with simply using reverb for the surrounds, but I feel they are too soft regardless. Last night I tried jacking up the channel levels, but I couldn't quite get it to a point that satisfied me. I suspect these tracks were recorded in smaller-sized venues? If so, it seems to me that the surrounds should've been louder in order to make it sound more realistic. Or maybe the problem is that there simply isn't much there?
The tracks are killer, though! Very good performances. I'm thinking a 7.
Yep, two tracks: "Turtle Blues" and "Ball and Chain". They sound very clean and I was initially impressed with them. However, I have learned that the audience was faked. These are studio recordings with separate audience recordings tacked on. Lame.dprokopy said:Some of the tracks are very clearly genuine surround, with the applause stuck squarely in the rears.
I tried to convince myself that it was legit as well. I was pretty much shot down in flames over at the Hoffman forum. I'm going to have to bow to the "experts" on this, since I sure as heck don't know for sure.sspsandy said:It was my understanding that this was a live show recorded at the Fillmore West, it even has an intro by Bill Graham. Turtle Blues I'd buy since it has that in a small club sound, but the rest sounds pretty live to my ears.
Why did they even bother with this mix, as there has been a boot of this title for 15 years. This was a backdoor CBS title that has a good mix, but as a 10th generation dub, could sure sound a lot better. Just another case in point, Sony has no idea what it has. The quad era titles are fantastic, from soul to rock, and could be released with a budget of 5 grand a title. Since they decided to back out of SACD, maybe it is time to try special markets again. They will want about 5 bucks a cd, wanna make a record company?JonUrban said:Please post your comments, thoughts and observations.......
Tad,quadtrade said:Why did they even bother with this mix, as there has been a boot of this title for 15 years. This was a backdoor CBS title that has a good mix, but as a 10th generation dub, could sure sound a lot better. Just another case in point, Sony has no idea what it has. The quad era titles are fantastic, from soul to rock, and could be released with a budget of 5 grand a title. Since they decided to back out of SACD, maybe it is time to try special markets again. They will want about 5 bucks a cd, wanna make a record company?
First of all i suppose, is the fact that all those early titles from CBS and Polygram and the little known folk like Bill Mize and Billie Meyers, were done by Brad. His determination to revive quadraphonics, more specifically to get us listening to a soundfield again, and the fact we could slip under the radar at that time. We were getting titles from special markets, the anything you can do to market this crap again bin. After the first round they wanted more dough per sold piece. Someone upstairs took notice and probably got greedy instead of nurturing the market, and letting us run. DTS itself had not a whole lot to do with this early push, except to encode, as they had the only box for a long time, one of their very big goofs. But the market seemed grim after the first 2 years, Brad became ill and died rather quickly. DTS began to make its money by licencing in receivers, and slashing its budget in the entertainment division side. I don't think they ever thought these 70s titles were much of anything but a way to get a small # of people interested in keeping their codec. They needed us at the time as they failed in the huge battle of making themselves the mandatory scheme on DVD video. The entertainment division it just a bit player in DTS now. SO.... i imagine there might be someone interested, but the legwork is very intensive and ya gotta have some dough to jumpstart. Perhaps an existing small label would take on this endeavor, but all this format change brings massive caution, uncertainty, and indecision.JonUrban said:Tad,
Why can't DTS Entertainment pick up where they left off and do more Sony/CBS titles? It would seem that the market is actually bigger now than when the first DTS CDs came out.