Sorry, slow connection double (like some of these tracks?) 
Oh yes, but I am the hobbyist and love to try different stuff that comes out of QQ.Don't you have a Atmos setup now?
I know ssully. I didn't really notice it until I did all of these today, these show that some have really different mixes as well as masterings! How can that be? Instant Karma is totally obvious, especially if you look at the DD 5.1 after I applied the normalization to it (Post #18). It looks very different than the DTS. Very strange.This is great! And it refutes my idea, based on the few caps I saw before, that it's just simple level difference...these looks like significantly different masterings, so there's no simple way to mimic DD<-->DTS. How foolish and bizarre of them to do that. I wonder what EQ profiling of the same front or rear channel of DTS vs DD would show...
Are any vocals and instruments panned differently in the two versions of 'Karma'? That, to me, would be a different mix.I know ssully. I didn't really notice it until I did all of these today, these show that some have really different mixes as well as masterings! How can that be? Instant Karma is totally obvious, especially if you look at the DD 5.1 after I applied the normalization to it (Post #18). It looks very different than the DTS. Very strange.
If I get time this weekend I will deconstruct Karma. I can run both versions through RX8's music rebalance which will leave me with only the vocals in all 10 channels. That should make it easy to hear if there's any difference in the vocal distribution between the two mixes/masterings.Are any vocals and instruments panned differently in the two versions of 'Karma'? That, to me, would be a different mix.
The differences offhand could be multiband compression or EQ applied to the DTS version of the mix. That wouldn't be a different mix, strictly speaking, but it would still be different! But I don't have the set, so I can't confirm any of this.
Wait, are you saying that you could take a song with cow bell in it, isolate it and have a 10 track multichannel mix of pure cowbell? That is AMAZING!If I get time this weekend I will deconstruct Karma. I can run both versions through RX8's music rebalance which will leave me with only the vocals in all 10 channels. That should make it easy to hear if there's any difference in the vocal distribution between the two mixes/masterings.
For the uninitiated, what does this mean? What are we seeing?
The box contains both DTS HD MA 5.1 (which has a core stream of DTS) and Dolby Tru HD 7.1 (which contains metadata for Dolby Atmos capable systems and a core stream of Dolby Digital). Depending on your system’s’ capabilities you will be able to decode one or more of these formats. Dolby Digital being the most “lossy” of the formats. A ripping program such as MakeMKV will allow you to extact each of these streams as a separate MKV file.Also, where did you get the DD tracks--the Gimme Some Truth box offers only DTS.5.1
I'm running through a Marantz 1609 AV, that I haven't been that impressed with.The box contains both DTS HD MA 5.1 (which has a core stream of DTS) and Dolby Tru HD 7.1 (which contains metadata for Dolby Atmos capable systems and a core stream of Dolby Digital). Depending on your system’s’ capabilities you will be able to decode one or more of these formats. Dolby Digital being the most “lossy” of the formats. A ripping program such as MakeMKV will allow you to extact each of these streams as a separate MKV file.
You can clearly see that normalizing the Dolby Digital gives you a wav file that does not even come close to what you have in the DTS file below it, of the same song. This would indicate a different mix or a case of extremely different mastering.For the uninitiated, what does this mean? What are we seeing?
Also, where did you get the DD tracks--the Gimme Some Truth box offers only DTS.5.1
From your first screenshot it looks like you have ripped these tracks into FLAC files and then analyzed them. Am I wrong?![]()
The Dolby Atmos stream included on the Blu-Ray includes a series of embedded 'core' audio streams to ensure compatibility for listeners with older equipment. If you have an older AVR that pre-dates Dolby Atmos, it will play back in 7.1 Dolby TrueHD. If you have an even older AVR that pre-dates Dolby TrueHD, it will play back in 5.1 Dolby Digital.Also, where did you get the DD tracks--the Gimme Some Truth box offers only DTS.5.1
Decoded lossy DTS and DD are PCM (wav). For analyzing them (or listening to them) that's not optional.From your first screenshot it looks like you have ripped these tracks into FLAC files and then analyzed them. Am I wrong?![]()