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HiRez Poll Lennon, John - GIMME SOME TRUTH (The Ultimate Remixes) [Blu-Ray Audio]

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EricKalet

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Ok, As of the time I write this, Pepper has 129 votes with a weighted rank of 8.31. Gimme some truth has only 17 votes with a rank of 9.47, including several 10s in there from Atmos fanboys that seem to vote 10's on anything Atmos. Come talk to me when the Lennon Release has 129 votes, if it ever gets there. There will be additional low votes coming for it once everyone lives with it for a while. You can pretty much bet on it.
On an kinda off note, let's put this in real perspective...Pepper has been out far longer than GST-Lennon. In fact, 3 1/2 years longer (May 26, 2017). The White Album poll was 1 1/2 years later from Pepper and has 131 votes for an average of 9.58 just a little shy of Abbey Road at 9.68 average. Perhaps in 3 years GST-Lennon will have 130 some-odd votes...and i'm sure by then the votes will balance out a bit better :hi
 

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Sounds like you gave us the truth. (see what I did there). As much of a Lennon fan as I am, I didn't buy this (not yet anyway). I was afraid it would be a lackluster mix (based on the Imagine official studio mixes) and the track selection. I'm going to wait for a price drop.
That's absolutely not the case. When the rears are set properly, the mix on most of these songs is as adventurous as The McCartney Years. There's a ton going on in the rears, especially on all the later tracks (from Mind Games on). It's an absolute pleasure and also quite surprising. Granted, having to raise the rears by 6-8dB before playing this album is annoying, and honestly feels more like a authoring mistake, it's a minor price to pay. Yes, it's mind boggling, but if you like the music, you'll LOVE this release.
 

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That's absolutely not the case. When the rears are set properly, the mix on most of these songs is as adventurous as The McCartney Years. There's a ton going on in the rears, especially on all the later tracks (from Mind Games on). It's an absolute pleasure and also quite surprising. Granted, having to raise the rears by 6-8dB before playing this album is annoying, and honestly feels more like a authoring mistake, it's a minor price to pay. Yes, it's mind boggling, but if you like the music, you'll LOVE this release.
I did not feel the need to raise the volume for the rears,even if some tracks are a little weak in that department.But 6-8 db sounds way to much.Overall I enjoy it very much as it is.
 

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why does this thread doesn't come up in the search results of the surround polls?
it was created after the last update on 18 September; for example, you won't find a thread for Seeds of Love either. i'm sure there will be an update soon! Stay Surrounded, Comrade!
 
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I have only one word for this compilation... HolySchitt! It sounds amazing, I had no issues with Atmos, also understanding that 87% of this release was recorded in the late 60's early 70's. I must say that listening to Truth brought me to tears several times as he speaks as the way things are, love for his wife & son, coming out of the Beatles phenomena of being imprisoned by his own fame, coming to terms with himself as well as his experience as a global icon. He truly did listen to Zimmerman when he said to John that your music has to say something. I give Truth a 12 of 10 stars!
 

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So, after much listening and scrutinizing, I have decided that this release gets a '10' from me. I almost gave it a '9' because of the whole levels thing, and that is something that bothers me - mostly because someone without Atmos would generally choose DTS over DD and in doing so would be discouraged a bit by the mix, but when I listen to the DD and the way this whole thing was put together, I have to admit I think it's freaking great. Especially the later songs.

John Lennon's vocals have always been sort of hidden in his songs that have a lot of production elements. It's almost like he didn't like his own voice. Of course, the songs from POB are mostly just him and piano or guitar, so that does not apply for those tunes, but my point is for many of these songs this is the clearest and most up front I've ever heard his vocals on many of these tunes.

The songs from Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey have excellent surround mixes, not of the gimmicky type the stereo freaks love to trash, but of a nice, spread out, surround sound field that let's you absorb the entire production of each song to the fullest. Getting to hear a few tunes from "Mind Games", allegedly readied for Q8 release then scrapped, is a treat for me. The mixes on these tunes are quite good considering the age of the masters.

Even the songs from POB (Where is "Mother?") have a larger presence than before, not quite cavernous, but let's just say more full. Again, making the vocal the star of the track.

So, my vote here is on the DD 5.1. Not the Atmos, Not the DTS, but the DD. You can probably take the DTS and adjust it, take the Atmos 7.1 and manipulate it on your DAW, but in my opinion, if you just take the as-is DD and listen to what the intent of the release is in that state, you have a freaking '10'.

I lived with these tunes from the day they were released. Bought the POB singles when they came out, then every JL release through the '70s, and was thrilled when he resurfaced in 1980 with Double Fantasy. Many of these tunes I have over heard, consequently I have not listened to them in 20-30 years. Hearing then on this release allowed me to enjoy them once again and not get fatigued from song-burned-out-in-the-brain rejection.

36 5.1 classic, best-of, tunes for $70 with a book and all, well, that's a '10'.

Your results may vary.

So for 5.1 non-Atmos folks: as John would say, "Play it Loud". Jon will add, "Play the DD (Dolby Digital)" :)
 

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So, after much listening and scrutinizing, I have decided that this release gets a '10' from me. I almost gave it a '9' because of the whole levels thing, and that is something that bothers me - mostly because someone without Atmos would generally choose DTS over DD and in doing so would be discouraged a bit by the mix, but when I listen to the DD and the way this whole thing was put together, I have to admit I think it's freaking great. Especially the later songs.

John Lennon's vocals have always been sort of hidden in his songs that have a lot of production elements. It's almost like he didn't like his own voice. Of course, the songs from POB are mostly just him and piano or guitar, so that does not apply for those tunes, but my point is for many of these songs this is the clearest and most up front I've ever heard his vocals on many of these tunes.

The songs from Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey have excellent surround mixes, not of the gimmicky type the stereo freaks love to trash, but of a nice, spread out, surround sound field that let's you absorb the entire production of each song to the fullest. Getting to hear a few tunes from "Mind Games", allegedly readied for Q8 release then scrapped, is a treat for me. The mixes on these tunes are quite good considering the age of the masters.

Even the songs from POB (Where is "Mother?") have a larger presence than before, not quite cavernous, but let's just say more full. Again, making the vocal the star of the track.

So, my vote here is on the DD 5.1. Not the Atmos, Not the DTS, but the DD. You can probably take the DTS and adjust it, take the Atmos 7.1 and manipulate it on your DAW, but in my opinion, if you just take the as-is DD and listen to what the intent of the release is in that state, you have a freaking '10'.

I lived with these tunes from the day they were released. Bought the POB singles when they came out, then every JL release through the '70s, and was thrilled when he resurfaced in 1980 with Double Fantasy. Many of these tunes I have over heard, consequently I have not listened to them in 20-30 years. Hearing then on this release allowed me to enjoy them once again and not get fatigued from song-burned-out-in-the-brain rejection.

36 5.1 classic, best-of, tunes for $70 with a book and all, well, that's a '10'.

Your results may vary.

So for 5.1 non-Atmos folks: as John would say, "Play it Loud". Jon will add, "Play the DD" :)
I would suggest playing the 7.1 DolbyTrueHD core from the atmos mix, which can be read by most of the old BD players and is automatically downmixed to 5.1 by the AVR. Unless that's what you mean by DD.
I'd also love to know your comparison between DTS vs. DD or Atmos. I'm curious to know whether these are radically different mixes or it's a simple matter of volume for the rear speakers.
 

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The Pepper issue was a balance problem. Adjust the real level up by 3-5dB and that album became pretty good on most of the tracks (unfortunately not all).

I do not think Imagine was missed opportunity. Check out those raw studio mixes. Its like the material was mixed 2 ways. Conservative and aggressive.

Heavy Metal??? The Beatles????
So I took your suggestion and turned up the rears on Pepper and it was a much more immerseve presentation. I'm trying to think others that
Compare the poll on this new one to Pepper.
If I have to adjust my system to make it sound correct than something's wrong. I don't have to do that with properly mixed discs.
Are you saying I compared The Beatles to Heavy Metal?
So I took LuvMyQuads advice and juiced the rears on Pepper and was pleasantly surprised. It made it a much more enjoyable immersive experience. Now I'm trying to remember if there's any other's that need some aural Viagra in the rear.
 

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So I took your suggestion and turned up the rears on Pepper and it was a much more immerseve presentation. I'm trying to think others that

So I took LuvMyQuads advice and juiced the rears on Pepper and was pleasantly surprised. It made it a much more enjoyable immersive experience. Now I'm trying to remember if there's any other's that need some aural Viagra in the rear.
There are quite a few that need a boost in the surrounds...and of number of them need more than just a judicious cranking. For example, if you have The Beatles 1+, crank the surrounds of the 5.1 of Let It Be by 6db. On the Imagine album, I cranked up the title song and a few more tracks by 6dB, although other songs didn't need nearly as much.
 

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There are quite a few that need a boost in the surrounds...and of number of them need more than just a judicious cranking. For example, if you have The Beatles 1+, crank the surrounds of the 5.1 of Let It Be by 6db. On the Imagine album, I cranked up the title song and a few more tracks by 6dB, although other songs didn't need nearly as much.
When you say "the Imagine album" are you talking about The Ultimate version?
 

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This set sounds like it has been mixed by an engineer with very little surround experience, and no Atmos experience. This is of course the case!
As I mentioned in the pre-release thread, Paul Hicks is responsible for the very discrete 5.1 mixes on The McCartney Years DVD video compilation.
This article in Recording magazine that @~dave~~wave~ posted in the pre-release thread needs a little more exposure:
 
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