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So it seems Andy Bradfield and Avril Mackintosh did the surround mix as they did on Clutching.....great!
Yikes... they did a pretty poor job on CAS. Here's hoping they've learned a bit about surround mixing in the time since then. At the very least, hopefully they won't completely change the album like they did there...
It is strange but Fish music store list this item as "in stock" (though it will be released in April)
https://fishmusic.scot/store/product/script-for-a-jesters-tear-deluxe-edition-4cd-blu-ray-set/did anybody tries to order it from Fish?
Yikes... they did a pretty poor job on CAS. Here's hoping they've learned a bit about surround mixing in the time since then. At the very least, hopefully they won't completely change the album like they did there...
Well, I'll stick my neck out there and offer a more positive view. I don't think CaS 5.1 came out perfect, but it's enjoyable for me. I agree, mainly with the overall 8 rating it has in the polls.
And I offer up this superb analysis by our very own Jonathan:
https://www.quadraphonicquad.com/fo...ing-at-straws-blu-ray-audio.25676/post-414085
At the very least, hopefully they won't completely change the album like they did there...
Huh - can you explain why you feel that? To my ears, the mix doesn't deviate too far from the overall feel of the stereo mix I have been listening too for 30 + years. There doesn't sound like there are enough changes to classify this as a "re-envisioned mix". Yes, some elements have been brought farther out in the mix and I feel the drums may have been de-emphasized but I think it is pretty faithful overall.
Curious to hear your view.
Perhaps it was their mandate to do so. The band and their management rarely divulge their intentions for such projects. The band already has multiple 5.1 mixes under their belt. They surely have requested a certain result be offered. They also have final say on the mixes so had they been dissatisfied, they could have the mix shelved or redone.
minimumtumbleweed said:For specific songs: they felt the need to add a guitar solo to "Going Under", some of the vocals have been changed on "Incommunicado", and the solo has been rearranged on "Sugar Mice" (I might be forgetting some). But overall, the mix has poor dynamic range, is overly harsh and bright, doesn't really do anything interesting with the channel separation, and in some places actually loses some of the effects that were present in stereo, such as the panning of the guitar at the beginning of "Hotel Hobbies" (just one example).
I will say that I was pleasantly surprised by Michael Hunter's mix of Afraid of Sunlight
Interesting viewpoints. Aside from agreeing that this mix may be more immersive than discrete; I am going agree to disagree with you on this one
I have to really focus to hear the change in vocals on Incommunicado and it sounds like it is only near the end of the song when the title word itself is being repeated. This has been my third favorite album of all time for 30 years - the new mix doesn't through me off. After I dial back the center a bit, the PCM feed sounds fine on my system.
You probably know this but... Going Under wasn't even on the LP or cassette versions on the initial release.
It was placed on the CD as a bonus cut (much the same way that After Me was a bonus cut on the CD for Seasons End).
It sounds to me that B&H used the alternate version that was used on the Incommunicado single. That version had the guitar solo.
I am not intending this to be snarky so please don't think I am trying to create a dust up.
It is just that what you wrote about the AOS mix seems contradictory to your statement on being disappointed with Clutching being completely changed. Out of the two (Clutching & AOS), Hunter's AOS mix is by far the one that deviates furthest from the feel of the original mix. Part of that is out of necessity since he had to work without the masters.
Beyond You on the new mix has a different sound from the mono version on the original release and different vocal tracks were apparently used for Cannibal & Out of this World.
I have to say it is funny to read discussions about people complaining about the remixes deviating too much from the original. Isn't that what a remix is all about, really? What else is the point in doing a remix, if only to make it sound exactly like the original mix? As long as it doesn't screw things up horribly (Karn Evil 9 3rd Impression of Brain Salad Surgery comes to mind), i can stomach pretty much any kind of remix. I just see them as an alternative reality that can coexist happily alongside the original mix. But hey, so many people, so many opinions. No offense intended to anyone.
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