Also, seems we're getting a little off track (finger firmly pointing to self) here and could use another thread for detailed discussion. Or perhaps there is one already?
That sounds good, I just couldn't tell from the pdf.High frequencies are directional so I’ve rotated the tweaters to face the middle of my seating positions.
Edit: They also tilt to about 30 degrees off vertical.
What I meant is that despite the fact that they have sounds specifically targetted to them, they aren't a full size speaker, or even a bookshelf speaker (in most cases). Therefore the sound produced will not be the same as those type speakers, even though the speaker level may be the same or similar, the quality of sound is not going to be what a bigger speaker can produce. Don't expect that. Expect to hear sound from the area in which they are placed (or angled to reflect) and that is the extent of it at this point. That may get better in the future if this takes off and the mixes become more immersive though. And sorry if I say this incorrectly, but I hope you get the jist of it--the Atmos mix is done independent of the surround mix. Meaning sounds are specifically meant for those channels only, not any other speaker or part of that mix. Because of that, the speakers dont necessarily have to be any bigger than what they are marketing now. It is more for effect and depth of sound than it is sound quality, imo. I hope this clarifies what I meant, and what I have researched and observed. After all that, I still stand by the fact that money should really be the only reason not to add this.
Thanks, that was my next question^This
I've read that the upfiring speakers and essentially all ceiling mounted atmos speakers actually have a much higher crossover frequency built in so essentially no sound lower than 130mHz will be reflected off the ceiling. Basically atmos ceiling and upfiring speakers are designed to reproduce midrange and high range frequencies only specifically as to avoid the muddy reverb from lower frequency sounds.
Also it's all mixed with computer precision and your avr uses measurements such as distance to the ceiling and distance from the ceiling to correct phase, etc so upfiring speakers are mathematically close to ceiling mounted.
The key I've heard is having the right kind of ceiling surface, ie popcorn ceilings are a no no.
Exactly. Though, I’ve heard it was around 150 Hz. That’s why, unless one has a huge room, you can get away with very small speakers. I use very small satellite speakers up high that have a wide dispersion pattern. I could probably get away with using just one pair in my size room.^This
I've read that the upfiring speakers and essentially all ceiling mounted atmos speakers actually have a much higher crossover frequency built in so essentially no sound lower than 130mHz will be reflected off the ceiling. Basically atmos ceiling and upfiring speakers are designed to reproduce midrange and high range frequencies only specifically as to avoid the muddy reverb from lower frequency sounds.
Also it's all mixed with computer precision and your avr uses measurements such as distance to the ceiling and distance from the ceiling to correct phase, etc so upfiring speakers are mathematically close to ceiling mounted.
The key I've heard is having the right kind of ceiling surface, ie popcorn ceilings are a no no.
Jim, I'm not sure TTN will win you over. The music is mainly front-centric. There are theatrical moments that are very Atmosy. This video might help you with your question, though my hunch is nothing exists in Atmos, right now, that is quite what you're looking for. I could be wrong!
Music in Atmos - Worst to Best
Albums discussed:
Sgt Pepper's - The Beatles
Live in Madrid - Michael Schenker's Temple of Rock
The Dolby Atmos Experience - Luca Turilli's Rhapsody
RPWL - A New Dawn
Hans Zimmer - Live in Prague
Roger Waters - The Wall Live
Metallica - Through the Never
Booka Shade - Galvany Street
INXS - Kick 30th Anniversary
Kraftwerk - Numbers (The Catalogue)
R.E.M. Automatic for the People (AFtP)
More info, including links to Atmos music lists, in video description.
Jim, I'm not sure TTN will win you over. The music is mainly front-centric. There are theatrical moments that are very Atmosy. This video might help you with your question, though my hunch is nothing exists in Atmos, right now, that is quite what you're looking for. I could be wrong!
Music in Atmos - Worst to Best
Albums discussed:
Sgt Pepper's - The Beatles
Live in Madrid - Michael Schenker's Temple of Rock
The Dolby Atmos Experience - Luca Turilli's Rhapsody
RPWL - A New Dawn
Hans Zimmer - Live in Prague
Roger Waters - The Wall Live
Metallica - Through the Never
Booka Shade - Galvany Street
INXS - Kick 30th Anniversary
Kraftwerk - Numbers (The Catalogue)
R.E.M. Automatic for the People (AFtP)
More info, including links to Atmos music lists, in video description.
You read my mindI don't want to be that guy I yelled about earlier, but it's hard for me to get excited about Atmos mixes of live albums. I want to hear new mixes of great multitrack recordings.
Couldn't you just use the receiver to upmix to Atmos ?@ J.Pupster
yes, I own the Yamaha AVR RX-A 3070 and I have the full control for every channel/speaker for music/movies and so on.
And my PC uses a software made by Dolby to generate atmos from lower formats!
Look in the Microsoft store
Thanks, that's great! The AiC is plenty good enough for these ears. Sounds awesome. Just wish we could get more of their catalog mixed like that.Great video Mike. Lovin your back catalog of vids on youtube. Just picked up AIC Greatest Hits on SACD for cheap as I was on the fence until your review becuase I'm a way bigger AIC fan than you or most here.
And if you ARE going to entertain up firing speakers, you're gonna want to time align that system!
Yes. Cross-over is also suggested during auto-configuration too and it is rather high (at least on my system). So, smaller speakers can suffice.Wouldn't you want to time align the height speakers regardless if they are at the ceiling or firing up to it?
Wouldn't the time alignment adjustment be part of the initial AVR setup... in the same way they time align the main channels?
Mike, I don't recall what your Atmos speaker setup is; is it a 7.2.4 with overheads?Yes. Cross-over is also suggested during auto-configuration too and it is rather high (at least on my system). So, smaller speakers can suffice.
That isn't to say that it's only ambient stuff up there. That isn't true. I have plenty of Atmos and Auro sources that have important information discretely or predominantly in the heights (music and movies).
Yep. Front heights and surround heights, all wall-mounted near the ceiling, toed-down toward the sweet spot.Mike, I don't recall what your Atmos speaker setup is; is it a 7.2.4 with overheads?
surely the Yamaha can also extrapolate to atmos. Both are capable of doing so.Couldn't you just use the receiver to upmix to Atmos ?