- Apr 27, 2006
- Pembroke Pines, FL
I wouldn't be surprised if the 8-track tape were also QS-encoded.
I wouldn’t mind having Grover’s Mister Magic; a Creed Taylor production.
Tough question. Do you have any idea how you can tell on the album if it's one of the original/first versions? I'm looking at Discogs just to check and I can't really tell. Maybe ones with Milton's name on the jacket? There are various pressings from 1975 and matrix run-outs listed, but I just can't tell.
You just didn't want to mix anything to center rear in SQ, if you wanted mono compatibility. Any sound mixed to that position would disappear in mono.
That's one of the few that were planned but cancelled last minute . However it may be in the vault/vaults collecting dust.Whoever has the unreleased quad of Crime Of The Century in their secret vault, we want to hear it!
Yea ok , but Lou Dorren had an axe to grind for any matrix quad system . They were a threat to his discrete system , so that would mean a loss of his time and $ .IIRC, the SQ Raiders/Indian Reservation mix has some content routed to CB, one of the few releases to do this (that was one reason I bought the album).
I should confess that I'm not a big fan of matrix quad/surround sound, I was influenced early in the Quad era by the statement that matrix was stereo and a half (might have been coined by Louis Dorren), although, sometimes it's worth spending about $1 more for an album in order to hear a different [quad] mix of the album.
A few pages later, the "Dealer Demo 'Q' Discs" lists "Acid Queen" as a QS demo song (time to get out my Tommy LP and CD and see how they decode w/DPL and maybe compare the movie Qunitophonic soundtrack downmixed to DS [my Sony Blu-ray player will downmix MCH audio to DS]).
I've never seen the need for a center channel for music. For movies, yes, but in music, even solo vocalists don't need to be that heavily entrenched in that position to sound good.These are 4channel encoding /decoding systems , with four speakers (no more), who gives a flip flying f**k about center channels .
Certainly not this idiot.
Jaybird, First and foremost THANK YOU for taking the time to forward those tracks. I have been looking through them since you forwarded them earlier today. I have some quick observations to pass along, although I expect to dive a little deeper when I have more time.
1) Gloria Gaynor - It ;definitely behaves like QS. A quick decode puts Gloria and the band in the front channels, while the strings and the horns are in the backs. One observation, this doesn't seem to be the track that had the vocals get quiet over the radio, as summing the track to mono has the vocal nice and loud, while the strings cancel out.
2) Tommy soundtrack tracks. These are much less blatantly encoded, almost to the point that I question the encoding. If these tracks are encoded, they are pretty disappointing. I had to go back and check my notes to make sure I was decoding properly, and also dug out some other QS encoded tracks to compare with. Just for the sake of argument, I compared a couple of tracks from the orchestral Tommy recording which is known to be QS, and also compared it with a QS demo track and a Joe Walsh/Barnstorm QS track. All of these other tracks showed much more blatant rear channel information, while the Tommy movie tracks by comparison sounded kind of blah and unexciting. KInd of mono sounding and not too distinct.
So , I'm not saying it's not QS, but if it is , it's disappointing. The orchestral version is much better as far as the 4 channel split is goes. , and nowhere near as "active" as the audio from the DVD. If there were any retail demo discs that might have had the Tina Turner "Acid Queen" track on it I would love to see if it's a different mix made especially for demonstration, as the version I have does not sound all that remarkable.
One thing I've noticed with the soundtrack audio is that there doesn't seem to be much of any audio content at 180 degrees, which is usually the case with QS. Once again, I'm not saying it's not QS, but it just seems odd that there isn't more of that in the tracks. All the other QS audio I had to play around with had a significant amount of this. Typically SQ and QS encoded material has phase information that is pretty "organized" typically, while the tommy soundtrack audio has phase information that seems more random. Usually, it is my understanding that the exceptions to this are when you have material that was recorded "au naturale" without pan pots involved, which is not the case here.
In any case, all I can tell you is what I have found so far, and seeing as I am more of an enthusiast than a bonafide expert, I wouldn't attempt to draw any conclusions. Once again, thank you for getting those tracks to me, as I love excuses to play around with music on the computer.
My mistake. It was a track from "The smoker you drink". A friend of mine sent me the track a while back when I was looking for QS tracks to "study". It was the song "Bookends". Sorry for all the confusion there.??
Where on Earth did you obtain a QS encode of Joe Walsh's Barnstorm ?
If anything I would have thought "So What" to be a "closet" quad .
I think there's an upmix of "Barnstorm" out there; someone posted one on the "Quad Traders" Facebook group.My mistake. It was a track from "The smoker you drink". A friend of mine sent me the track a while back when I was looking for QS tracks to "study". It was the song "Bookends". Sorry for all the confusion there.
The person listening to it cares. What if he does not have a quad system?These are 4channel encoding /decoding systems , with four speakers (no more), who gives a flip flying f**k about center channels .
Certainly not this idiot.
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