HiRez Poll Santana - CARAVANSERAI [SACD]

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Rate the SACD of Santana - Caravanserai

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winopener

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Old timers knows very well i'm quite partial on this album. That was the album, despite the so-called Sucky Quad of the era (a Grundig quad set) that opened up the quad world for me back in the seventies. Even with all the flaws of the SQ it was a great quad, and a incredible album to boot (was already into Santana, just not into quad) So, for artistic content i finally use my "Spinal Tap" card and place a 11, in order to compensate for the mastering, a 9, which pushes a bit the high part of the audio, resulting in a bit of fatigue.
For sure i'm going to flac it and EQ it a bit in order to keep a bit the highs down, and it is a world better that EQing a Q8 transfer, which i did back in the good old days and that until now it has served me well, honestly - listening now to the quad sacd - really well. BTW, D-V sacd do not have that hi freq push, even on the Santana titles, so i wonder if this is part of the japan mastering instead of the original recording.

Took a while to arrive, used EMS, 20 days but at least it came without the import taxes, which when i got I and Abraxas costed more that another SACD!

It is a dream come true: full quality Caravanserai quad, y Feliz Navidad a todos.
 

winopener

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It's terrific. I was only barely familiar with the 2channel version, but I'll certainly be listening to this one a lot. "All the Love in the Universe" and "Every Step of the Way" are tours de force.

For me the true tour de force is La fuente del ritmo, but the best track is the closing Every Step of the Way
 

winopener

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Just because I prefer III, I, Welcome and Swing of Delight, doesn't detract from how truly great this record is. Put it in my 100 favorite albums. Music is radically different from III and w/Buddy Miles Live, which preceded it. More instrumentally oriented, and a huge step toward fusion.

You really named the reason why i rated C. higher than and other Santana. Here in Italy Santana 3 didn't took off too much for timing reason. Let me explain.
Santana I arrived here in 1970 and Abraxas, despite being released in late 70, it didn't really took off until Summer 1971, pushed by the Oye como va single in summer and later, Samba pa ti in late autumn. Black Magic Woman didn't had the time to do a single relase because Everybody's Everything came out and stole the show BUT - and that's a big BUT - the musical scene was going toward Prog and the so-called lately Fusion, so Santana 3 didn't had a big impact despite heavy singles promotion. When Caravanserai arrived on the same time as the USA release the local musical scene had already moved on and C. fitted in like a glove: had no single released but was everywhere. The Buddy Miles LP was released just before C. but C. killed it: it was a rehash of a "old sound" that had been already turned down.
 

fredblue

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Old timers knows very well i'm quite partial on this album. That was the album, despite the so-called Sucky Quad of the era (a Grundig quad set) that opened up the quad world for me back in the seventies. Even with all the flaws of the SQ it was a great quad, and a incredible album to boot (was already into Santana, just not into quad) So, for artistic content i finally use my "Spinal Tap" card and place a 11, in order to compensate for the mastering, a 9, which pushes a bit the high part of the audio, resulting in a bit of fatigue.
For sure i'm going to flac it and EQ it a bit in order to keep a bit the highs down, and it is a world better that EQing a Q8 transfer, which i did back in the good old days and that until now it has served me well, honestly - listening now to the quad sacd - really well. BTW, D-V sacd do not have that hi freq push, even on the Santana titles, so i wonder if this is part of the japan mastering instead of the original recording.

Took a while to arrive, used EMS, 20 days but at least it came without the import taxes, which when i got I and Abraxas costed more that another SACD!

It is a dream come true: full quality Caravanserai quad, y Feliz Navidad a todos.
i'm kinda glad you noticed the high-end boost as well, i thought i was the only one who heard it! 😅

its a shame they didn't just do a Flat transfer or a more sympathetic EQ like Dutton. tbh i feel this way everytime i hear a heavy-handed remaster, its not peculiar to Sony Japan and i'm not having a dig at them at all, this is a lovely package and a great release overall.

a "9".

(Surround-wise, packaging-wise, musically, its a "10" all the way, i just struggle a bit with the brightness of percussion etc.)
 

James Jay

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A 10 for music as Caravanserai is my personal Santana favorite. A 9 for sound quality as I take off a point for the SACD being slightly bass shy. The surround mix is superb IMO. I didn’t have any problem with the high end boost many are commenting about. A really great surround release but I voted a 9 as the bass could have been slightly boosted perhaps.
But I much prefer the bass on Caravanserai than terrible bass boost on for example:
John Lennon gimme some truth or George Harrison all things must pass surround mixes.
No. 9 dream is unlistenable on Gimme Some Truth because of the bloated bass IMO.
 

ss9001

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A 10 for music as Caravanserai is my personal Santana favorite. A 9 for sound quality as I take off a point for the SACD being slightly bass shy. The surround mix is superb IMO. I didn’t have any problem with the high end boost many are commenting about. A really great surround release but I voted a 9 as the bass could have been slightly boosted perhaps.
But I much prefer the bass on Caravanserai than terrible bass boost on for example:
John Lennon gimme some truth or George Harrison all things must pass surround mixes.
No. 9 dream is unlistenable on Gimme Some Truth because of the bloated bass IMO.


It's been years since I last listened to my SQ LP of Caravanserai. The LP is mint since I bought it new when it was released. Probably last listened to it ~5 yrs ago, give or take, but I seem to remember the SQ LP was a tad lower in bass than Santana S/T and III, perhaps Abraxis as well. Perhaps it was originally mixed that way and not specifically this Sony Japan SACD. Don't know just putting it out there as a possibility.

The SQ LP was one of the best releases for quadraphonic so that's the same.

And Caravanserai is also my favorite Santana album :)
 
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quicksrt

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I should listen to this more times before voting. But I know the material from listening to the stereo mix every few years. The quad mix here is as super discreet as one could hope for. The sound quality is more impressive than I expected. Somehow I expected a just slight starchy high-end sound like Birds of Fire has, but not as severe. Nope, sound is liquid and smooth where it needs to be. The material is for me much more exciting in a four channel array than in stereo. I knew I would like this, and I knew it had no hits or hot radio play tracks, and I expected it to be a total winner "9" against the other Santana 7" series titles. I'm going to have to bump up my 9.5 to a 10 here because of the tasteful 4.0 mix, great sound quality, and material that has not worn out its welcome with radio over-play, or over exposure anywhere.

We are all here hoping and praying for more of the old quad to get issued, and on high resolution discs, mastered with care. We have these expectations that they will sound amazing, and we will never go back to stereo again, that is how high we regard the best of them. This is one of those discs, we need not ever bother with two channels when 4.0 sounds this great.
 

ar surround

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I don't do weed, beer and booze is my thing, will try that one night. :cool:
Try listening to a track here and there rather than the whole album. I find it difficult to listen to a whole Santana album start to finish. With most albums that I cannot listen to start to finish, I find that 'listening to a track here and there' maintains my interest.
 

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I have an 8 track quad which sounds pretty good. Is the SACD enough of an improvement that it would be worth rebuying?
 
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