1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
- May 20, 2013
- Duesseldorf, Germany
It sounds way worse than it actually looks. Maybe I should of tried messing with the EQ before I returned it. Anyone tried bringing down the treble by a few db? Maybe that is the issue as to why it is so harsh to listen to.
Yes indeed. This is what you hear.The waveforms look like they just spread the stereo into 5 channels and called it a day. @:
As you can see, more than enough elements for 5 speakers, and that doesn't even include things added by the mixer during the mix like echoes and reverbs and so on.02_Kick Drum
04_Tom Toms 1
05_Tom Toms 2
06_Overhead - Ride Cymbal
07_Overhead - Hi-Hat
10_Drum Kit - far-1
11_Drum Kit - far-2
The number if tracks don't say anything about elements to mix.There are more than enough tracks on the multitrack any modern rock mix to do a good 5.1 mix. Obviously I don't have access to these multis, but I would suspect there are probably 24 tracks at the very least.
On the Nirvana multitracks that leaked a few years ago, which were recorded around the same time as Superunknown, there are 24 tracks, and I think Soundgarden are a much more 'hi-fi' sounding band than Nirvana. Here's a list of the multitrack elements for the Nirvana song called 'Sappy'
As you can see, more than enough elements for 5 speakers, and that doesn't even include things added by the mixer during the mix like echoes and reverbs and so on.
Of course you're never going to get a Soundgarden mix that sounds like Steely Dan or something, but there are more than enough elements to do a good (or great) surround mix. The Doors 'LA Woman' 5.1 mix was created from a multitrack that only had 8 tracks and it's pretty good, so doing a good one from a 24, 32 or 64 track should be easy for someone who knows what they're doing. When I see mixes that have the same information in all 5 speakers, I just have to assume they've been created by someone who either doesn't like or doesn't understand the benefits afforded by a good discrete 5.1 mix. It almost feels like a passive/aggressive thing - "I don't like 5.1 so I'm going to make a mix that sounds as much like a stereo mix as possible".
INDEED. I think this 5.1 mix is OK though. It's the sound quality I detest on this one.Each one of those tracks is a separate 'element', so I'm not really sure what you're getting at. Even if the guitars are playing similar parts for double tracking purposes, they're all unique performances. You don't need a huge band with 10 different types of instruments to do a good discrete 5.1 mix.
Look at the Foo Fighters 'One By One' 5.1 mix - it's a very discrete modern rock mix from a guitars/bass/drums/vocals lineup.
There are more than enough elements on the Superunknown multitracks to do a decent 5.1 mix, you can hear that just from listening to the stereo mix. There are multiple rhythm guitars on every song, guitar solos/overdubs, double tracked vocals, harmony vocals, etc. etc.
So you are listening with a timer? .I found out that the trick with this one is, you mustn’t listen to this disc for a time period longer than 20 minutes. After this time your ears get weak because it’s always the same volume (too loud) and you can’t recognize one track from the other. I have the same problem with Metallica’s “Death Magnetic”. But if you listen in twenty minute portions you’ll see that there is some action surroundwise. Of course one would expect more from such an expansive release than a way to listen to it without a headache. By the way, I really enjoy the visuals. So this is a 6 from me.