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HiRez Poll Tears For Fears - THE SEEDS OF LOVE [Blu-Ray Audio]

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Rate the BDA of Tears for Fears - THE SEEDS OF LOVE

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minimumtumbleweed

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Exactly this... and unfortunately, I'm in the former camp. :( I sorely wish individual 5.1 song downloads were a thing -- I'd immediately pay the $5 or whatever for Sowing The Seeds, as it's one of my favorite songs of the 80s. But, a $60 set... can't do it. Oh well.

(And it's strange, 'cause I *love* the Big Chair album.)
I don't think that's strange. This is by far my favourite album of theirs. I like Big Chair but it's just not quite there for me and some of the songs I feel are meh. I can't even listen to The Hurting. So, to each their own.
 

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I wanted to drop in another opinion on this mix; I'm still going to give it a 9 since I am scoring the whole package, but I think there isn't enough appreciation for how good this mix is as a 2014-2015 mix. Because, this is when it was made of course. Just to clarify, he has remixed approximately 27 albums since he made this mix! In this context, the quality of the mix simply defies belief.
 

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Maybe the surround will change my mind.
My interest in this album used to sort of wane after "Advice For The Young At Heart", but the 5.1 mix really transforms the last four songs for me. I keep replaying "Standing At The Corner Of The Third World" and "Year Of The Knife". The immersive opening section to the former reminds me a lot of "Ride Across The River" from Dire Straits' Brothers In Arms.

Unrelated side-note: I noticed that the LFE channel hasn't been low-pass filtered on all the songs, so you can hear the rhythm section completely isolated! I attached a short stereo MP3 clip of just the center & sub channels from "Woman In Chains". It's incredibly cool.
 

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For me, The Seeds of Love was always my least favorite Tears For Fears album of all time. I loved "Sowing The Seeds Of Love" from the moment I saw the video on MTV, "Woman In Chains" grew on me once I got their Tears Roll Down Greatest Hits album, but "Advice For The Young At Heart" was always a bit schlocky for me (and apparently for Curt too). I never owned the album back in the day, but loved Elemental, Raoul and beyond. Hell I even love Roland's solo album from 2001, which isn't on streaming anywhere and might be hard to find. I just never really went back to Seeds of Love and listened to it much. I never even owed the CD until like 2017. I literally bought this box set because TFF is one of my favorite bands and on the strength of Sowing The Seeds Of Love in surround.

What I've found is a much deeper appreciation for the rest of the album in the process. They played "Bad Man's Song" when I saw them in concert in 2016 and that got me exploring that song more. I wound up adding that to my normal rotations, making it 3-4 songs I liked off the album. But now having really listened to the whole album over and over (largely in surround) I have found that I really like the whole album, except I am still not into "Standing On The Corner Of The Third World." Just does not grab me. Everything else is good, though I do still have to be in the right mood to listen to "Advice." I still think they could have included "Always In The Past" on this album, which still holds its own alongside the album tracks. Heck maybe even "My Life In The Suicide Ranks" would fit too.

So for me, the rating I gave was strongly weighted towards the surround mix, the overall audio quality and the bonus track content, along with the excellent packaging. The album itself grew on me after my initial rating of 9.
 

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For me, The Seeds of Love was always my least favorite Tears For Fears album of all time. I loved "Sowing The Seeds Of Love" from the moment I saw the video on MTV, "Woman In Chains" grew on me once I got their Tears Roll Down Greatest Hits album, but "Advice For The Young At Heart" was always a bit schlocky for me (and apparently for Curt too). I never owned the album back in the day, but loved Elemental, Raoul and beyond. Hell I even love Roland's solo album from 2001, which isn't on streaming anywhere and might be hard to find. I just never really went back to Seeds of Love and listened to it much. I never even owed the CD until like 2017. I literally bought this box set because TFF is one of my favorite bands and on the strength of Sowing The Seeds Of Love in surround.

What I've found is a much deeper appreciation for the rest of the album in the process. They played "Bad Man's Song" when I saw them in concert in 2016 and that got me exploring that song more. I wound up adding that to my normal rotations, making it 3-4 songs I liked off the album. But now having really listened to the whole album over and over (largely in surround) I have found that I really like the whole album, except I am still not into "Standing On The Corner Of The Third World." Just does not grab me. Everything else is good, though I do still have to be in the right mood to listen to "Advice." I still think they could have included "Always In The Past" on this album, which still holds its own alongside the album tracks. Heck maybe even "My Life In The Suicide Ranks" would fit too.

So for me, the rating I gave was strongly weighted towards the surround mix, the overall audio quality and the bonus track content, along with the excellent packaging. The album itself grew on me after my initial rating of 9.
My favourite part of the album is Swords and Knives - Year of the Knife - Famous Last Words. Those songs connect really well and I always find myself listening to them in sequence. I didn't like Swords and Knives much at first, but the instrumental section in the middle is breathtaking.
 

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Well, after cancelling my order with MusicVaults (after waiting until Monday for it to ship..pre-ordered Aug 17) I ordered it from Amazon Canada the same Monday and received it yesterday.
I have given the 5.1 mix a quick listen. Uh...wow. I am slightly familiar with the album. I know the hits and have grown familiar with the other songs through recent YouTube listening.
As soon as "Women in Chains" started, and Roland's voice came in, it hit me right in the feels. Do you ever get an emotional stirring...a "body rush" from a piece of music? This song did it for me in spades. For me, the fidelity and Mr. Wilson's choice of mix is ...wonderful. I look forward to many repeat listenings.
 

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Played the album tonight, my only criticism is that on some songs the lead vocal in the center channel does sound muted compared to the rest of the sound from the left/right speakers. Especially on Sowing The Seeds Of Love, everything sounds great but the vocal sounds mumbled then the big chorus sounds great.
Other than that, its a fun surround disc with real big wide sound which fills up the room.
It is one of my favorite albums and love the first 4 songs immensely. And the sublime "Famous Last Words".
It's a short album compared to these days, just 8 songs.

I give it an 8.
 

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This is a great album and surround-wise there are many highlights to be enjoyed. Therefore, highly recommended!

I do agree with all the comments about the vocals on the title track, unfortunately. That song could have been one of the most impressive songs in surround ever (what a trip in terms if composition and arrangement!). I cannot understand why one would want to mix the lead vocal so quietly. It makes it sound really weak, it takes away so much of the impact of the song. On one of the magic moments in the song (for me), when the higher of the two voices joins the lower one at the word ‘time’ (at 04:05) the impact of this added voice is absolutely zero. I struggle to understand this mixing decision.

All in all, I just voted 9. As I said, highly recommended because apart from my complaints about the vocals on the title track, there is SO much to enjoy here!
 
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Steve Schoultz

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Y'all, not hearing the volume disparity for lead vocal from the title track to all other tracks. Sounds very consistent to me. 3rd listen. LPCM each time.
Anyone else want to weigh in?!
I’m not hearing the volume disparities. However I’ve only listened to the LPCM in my car. I give it a 10 all the way. I never listened to the group back in the day. Just their hits on the radio. I love this album. So nice to discover an unknown treasure.
 

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Y'all, not hearing the volume disparity for lead vocal from the title track to all other tracks. Sounds very consistent to me. 3rd listen. LPCM each time.
Anyone else want to weigh in?!
Not really noticing it either. I always have my centre bumped by a few dB when listening to 5.1 mixes, but I'm also not really hearing anything particularly inconsistent with that track.
 

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I know it’s not my center channel as it is always point on for any material I throw at it. The lead vocal on the title track is mixed way too low. Everything else in the song sounds great though especially the chorus which makes the lack of lead vocal jarring.
 

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For me, there are sections of the center channel I felt the need to amplify on the title track, and there are other sections of the same channel on the same track that sound fine as is. Whatever. I love the track and I love the mix. Some people make adjustments to bass/ treble when listening to music; I tinker with the mixes , lol. Since I only listen to ripped FLAC files, rather than actual discs, if there are some minor flaws in a mix (IMHO) and I can fix them to my satisfaction, I'm happy (I always save a copy of the unmolested original mix as well). I really have grown to love 6 out of the 8 tracks on this album, and it's the excellent fidelity and surround mix that has led to my appreciation of the music! (the only songs I still don't care for are "Advice For The Young At Heart" and "Standing On The Corner Of The Third World".) I'm voting 9.
 

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For me, there are sections of the center channel I felt the need to amplify on the title track, and there are other sections of the same channel on the same track that sound fine as is.
Same here. It starts off ok, but then I hear a slight drop in the center starting in the second verse (I spy tears in their eyes..."). What's still weird to me is just how different the song sounds compared to the old stereo version. Something about the original stereo mix just worked perfectly: it's amazing that they managed to pack all those sounds into two speakers and maintain cohesion. On the 5.1, previously-obscured instrument lines seem to stand out more than the parts I'm used to hearing---and the lead vocal has an entirely different sound to my ears. I'm not sure if it's a different take altogether or if the effects on it aren't a perfect match to the original. Like I said upthread, it's not quite what I was hoping for--but I guess it's not really fair to play armchair mixer here given the challenges SW had to overcome on this project.
 

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Could it be a difference in producers, I thought I read they took over producing at some point and how it was recorded might have an impact on those vocals? But you'd think that would be adjusted for, in the new mix.
 

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Honestly I think this is the risk with using a center channel at all in music mixes. There's a HUGE variance in center channel speakers, setups, settings, levels, everything. Personally, I think lead vocals should always be either only in the two main front speakers, or mixed at the same levels in left, center and right fronts.
 
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