DVD/DTS Poll Ten Years After - A SPACE IN TIME [DTS 96-24/DD DVD+LP]

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dr8track

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After fixing the channel placement, this is great. Hard to believe this was so screwed up.
With the ongoing issues of quality control in multi-channel releases, it's harder to believe when they actually get it right these days.
 

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Isn't the Raiders' 'Indian Reservation' reversed on the SQ version? I have the LP, and I need to go listen again. I did a DTS conversion a few years ago and didn't fix it, if it is in fact reversed.
 

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Can anyone help me... If I'm going to fix the channel assignments, do I swap RF for RR or RF for LR (and vice versa)?
 

jimfisheye

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So... I have a 'copy' of the quad reel in 24/96 PCM digital. It's nice. You can tell somebody worked on it including processing with some noise reduction. It sounds like decent work though (and I am NOT a pushover for such things!) and I very much like the mix (flaws and all).

The timing on the fx intro for Here They Come isn't as on point as the stereo mix but at the same time you get nuance in it that was buried in the stereo. (Must have had that bit on a different tape deck and just didn't perform the sync move quite right for this mix. Or maybe it evolved in the stereo mix and the budget wasn't there for remix work on the quad? Who knows...)

The 'guitar player on stage' mix of Baby Let Me Rock & Roll You makes me laugh out loud! :D

And of course - nice gratuitous work with the joystick. Completely in character with the mix. :)

I haven't heard this reissue. How is it? Is it DTS-MA (lossless)? This isn't one of those insulting standard lossy core DTS abominations is it? And it's the same original 4.0 quad?
 

fizzywiggs41

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You should really read all the past posts, Jimfisheye, all answers to your questions are there.At least most should be.
 

jimfisheye

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Yeah, duh, maybe I should pay more attention!

Well... dts 24/96 should be far less lossy than the generation loss of studio master > production master > production copy > ? tape deck > ? AD converters > someone's noise reduction work and whatever else > that Q4 DVDA

I should get this...

Haha, they really swapped the front & rear channels?! :D
That's... a bit more embarrassing than forgetting to read page one of a forum thread! :D

I'll just rewrite the flac files after ripping it in with the correct channel order.

FYI, you can change your 5.1 system channel assignments with Audio MIDI Setup in OSX in a pinch.
 

skherbeck

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I love this mix! I feel like I'm stuck in the middle of a guitar tornado! I reassigned/swapped the front and rear channels prior to my first listen using DVD Audio Extractor and Audacity, and the 4.1 mix sounds great! Very discrete and fun. The sound quality is very good. I give this an 8.
 

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FWIW, the "stereo quad mix" of this album streaming on Spotify does some very interesting stuff decoded by PLII. I wouldn't say it is necessarily "accurate" but there is definitely a lot of stuff going on. In particular, the end of "Here They Come" bounces all around the four speakers quite discretely.

Me wonders whether these stereo mix downs of quad mixes retain any of the out of phase stuff that SQ and QS records relied up and that PLII sends to the rear channels.
 

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FWIW, the "stereo quad mix" of this album streaming on Spotify does some very interesting stuff decoded by PLII. I wouldn't say it is necessarily "accurate" but there is definitely a lot of stuff going on. In particular, the end of "Here They Come" bounces all around the four speakers quite discretely.

Me wonders whether these stereo mix downs of quad mixes retain any of the out of phase stuff that SQ and QS records relied up and that PLII sends to the rear channels.
Have you heard the actual quad mix? It's unbelievably excellent...not surprised it decodes nicely with PLII.
 

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As far as the dvd goes this would be a 10 for quad mix and superb music and still impresses with a swivel seat.

Horrible quality control with this issue, reversing front and rear, so vocals come from rear!

I give it a eight, minus 2 for the lack of basic quality control.





It is also interesting to note that the SQ mixdown to stereo, did not occur, can't be done.MATRIX IS EMBEDDED!!
See my review in QUAD CDS.


fizzy
 

sjcorne

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It's great as long as you can swap the channels...totally destroys the SQ LP in fidelity and separation. Never heard the Q8 so I can't comment but imagine it's probably hissy and lacking in top end.

Luckily my receiver actually has a reverse switch that I never really use except for this disc
 

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I have read this about switching front with back but i haven´t liked the idea of having the guitars in the back.
My solution was to switch everything clockwise an quarter.
After that i lowered the back channels 30%.
This suits my equipment best i think as i want the main sound to come from the front.
It actually follows the stereo track quite well with where the sound comes on it.
It really has an good stereo track also so both ways of listening to this excellent album if wonderful.

But now i can fully appreciate the surround track also
 

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This is a remarkable mix. Even considering that the channels might be reversed. It is extremely discrete, with excellent sound quality. Not to mention carrying one of the top five rock songs of all time ("I'd Love to Change the World". (My opinion of course. ;-)

The previous quad mix I heard, presumably taken from Q4, suffered from horribly distorted and weak guitar in the last half of ILTCTW. In this release the guitar sounds like it's supposed to.

This is a 9 for me. I'll make a version with F/R swapped to see if it would be a 10.



I have read this about switching front with back but i haven´t liked the idea of having the guitars in the back.
My solution was to switch everything clockwise an quarter.
After that i lowered the back channels 30%.
This suits my equipment best i think as i want the main sound to come from the front.
It actually follows the stereo track quite well with where the sound comes on it.
It really has an good stereo track also so both ways of listening to this excellent album if wonderful.

But now i can fully appreciate the surround track also
 

Clint Eastwood

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This is a remarkable mix. Even considering that the channels might be reversed. It is extremely discrete, with excellent sound quality. Not to mention carrying one of the top five rock songs of all time ("I'd Love to Change the World". (My opinion of course. ;-)

The previous quad mix I heard, presumably taken from Q4, suffered from horribly distorted and weak guitar in the last half of ILTCTW. In this release the guitar sounds like it's supposed to.

This is a 9 for me. I'll make a version with F/R swapped to see if it would be a 10.

I'm glad you got that title from discogs:cool:..I think they did a great job on this disc...
 

sbrom

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I'm glad you got that title from discogs:cool:..I think they did a great job on this disc...
Many thanks! Discogs is my friend, as are the many kind members of QQ who never fail to provide good suggestions and pointers!

Only my wallet suffers :)
 

sbrom

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So I tried the F/R swap. Mixed bag based on a comparison of ILTCTW. Vocals are dramatically improved! However two new (lesser) issues crop up for me. First, the lead electric guitar is moved to the rear. For me it's the album co-star, just after vocals, and belongs in the front. Second, the drums move to the rear - not my favorite positioning.

In the net I prefer the swap because the vocals are significantly better. I'll live with the other shortcomings of the swap. This is still a 9 with channel swap....I'll keep both versions on the server.
 

sjcorne

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So I tried the F/R swap. Mixed bag based on a comparison of ILTCTW. Vocals are dramatically improved! However two new (lesser) issues crop up for me. First, the lead electric guitar is moved to the rear. For me it's the album co-star, just after vocals, and belongs in the front. Second, the drums move to the rear - not my favorite positioning.

In the net I prefer the swap because the vocals are significantly better. I'll live with the other shortcomings of the swap. This is still a 9 with channel swap....I'll keep both versions on the server.
I can tell you the swapped version is definitely the way it's intended to be...not really sure why anyone would like lead vocals in the back. Personally I love the mix on I'd Love To Change The World and include it on most of my personal sampler discs as it blasts the song wide open and fully reveals buried instrumentation in the stereo (the acoustic guitars strumming in the front during the rear guitar solo are particularly cool).

The reality of many of these old quads is that the mixers weren't afraid to aggressively move lead parts the rear channels. It was likely done because of matrix limitations in the case of Columbia but is nonetheless one of my favorite things about quad. This is a quality sorely lacking from many 5.1 remixes IMO (compare any Warner DVD-A title released in quad with its quad counterpart). There is certainly a middle ground between ambient rears and moving lead parts to the back, but I can only think of a few really good examples and would much rather have overactive quad than front-centric 5.1.

There is also the matter of full range rear speakers vs satellites when it comes to quad material but that's a whole other conversation...
 

fizzywiggs41

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That quad mix is "Demo " quality , and was one quad album I loved to demo for quad.

Swapped channels :rolleyes: Good thing I have a swivel chair .
 
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