Is anyone else here upset about the fact that there are 2 competing formats once again? This time in the form of HD. The people on this forum are not average consumers. The average consumer will not make a decision either way until there is a clear winner. I'm not sure how that will happen when people aren't taking the plunge. There may not be enough people ever entering either stream to determine a winner in the eyes of the average consumer. Frankly I hope they both flop. Maybe then there will be some mass panic in the boardrooms and standarization will occur. SACD and DVD-A are virtually dead except for some companies still issuing Classical and Jazz discs to those markets. I guess the demise of those 2 formats wasn't a big enough wake-up call for the companies involved. They still went ahead with 2 different HD formats. I think that the stance with most people here on this forum is to play a waiting game as well. We are usually early adopters yet this is the stance most of us are taking. That does not bode well for either of the HD formats. Hang tough. Let's send them a message.