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>Sigh<. Jeez, Tony: you're someone who's actually done true surround mixes. Did Sony pay you a shit-ton of money to flog this, or are your ears shot, or did you just drink the Kool-Aid? At least Atmos exists in both faux and vrai versions, even if Dolby's marketers are doing their level best to confuse the issue. But Sony 360 is all smoke and mirrors, as far as I can tell. The masses can have their 360 Reality Audio mix if they want it. But why in the world would Sony imagine the masses would care? For those of us who really do care about surround sound: give us a genuine immersive mix designed for "seven speakers in your front room." We'll eat it up!
I had somehow missed an entire thread devoted (more or less) to Visconti's remix of Space Oddity when I wrote the dyspeptic words above. (I only discovered it after I saw the album on sale at HD Tracks and began Googling.) Anyway, sorry for inadvertently repeating what others had already said.

Sounds like the title track is the only one he remixed for 360 Reality Audio. So has anyone who ponied up for Amazon Music HD actually heard it on an Echo Studio speaker (or over headphones with Deezer or Tidal)?
 

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When I had Tidal I checked out the 360 audio. Itā€™s just sounded like mud. I have decent headphones and tried it with everything from AirPods to Bowers & Wilkins to Sony. It was a waste.
 

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Sounding fine, neither hollow nor muddy, on my earbuds and my 2.1 system here at work.
Desktop app via Win 10.
Surround effect (over earbuds)? Zilch.
 

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According to this article, you need the app, so it'd be nice to hear from someone who has listened through the app, on a decent set of cans.
Or - if one doesn't dabble in digital . analogue is way easier and better to listen to anything really - in full form all frequencies - multiple channel surround sound..
 

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Here's my take on what they are doing with this 360 Reality Audio.

I have listened to most of the tracks on Tidal..
It seems to me that they are isolating the main voice/music in the centre/front speakers and using double stereo to emphasise the rest of the music/voice in the surrounds. In doing so they reduce the volume slightly to give more emphasis to the fronts.

There is not an element of separation going on.

Think we need an industry insider to explain what technique they are using, to achieve this dummy surround .
Or maybe that's the intention, to create Reality in all but name. and produce it as cheaply as possible.

The sound is perfectly clear, through my speaker set up.

In fact I've just checked out a few tracks on my Audio Technica ATH M50X phones.
Very nice stereo separation and clarity.
 
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FWIW, yesterday I listened to some Tidal S360 and ATMOS tracks, both via headphones (Sennheiser HD Pro 380's, IIRC) using my Android phone.

I compared some S360 tracks to their normal stereo counterparts. I liked the normal stereo better.

I then tried some Atmos, since the app was suggesting it... I liked it much better than the S360! Not as dramatically surroundy as my HTS, of course,
but immersive, yes! And I was given the sense that plenty of the songs were out in front of me, rather than completely coming from the sides.
I didn't get that from S360. I liked the Atmos well enough that I didn't feel the need to switch over to stereo. The Atmos tracks through headphones felt right.
 

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FWIW, yesterday I listened to some Tidal S360 and ATMOS tracks, both via headphones (Sennheiser HD Pro 380's, IIRC) using my Android phone.

I compared some S360 tracks to their normal stereo counterparts. I liked the normal stereo better.

I then tried some Atmos, since the app was suggesting it... I liked it much better than the S360! Not as dramatically surroundy as my HTS, of course,
but immersive, yes! And I was given the sense that plenty of the songs were out in front of me, rather than completely coming from the sides.
I didn't get that from S360. I liked the Atmos well enough that I didn't feel the need to switch over to stereo. The Atmos tracks through headphones felt right.
I've just played a few Atmos tracks through my phones Mike.....especially the ones that are really good mixes and it's like night and day, the difference between 360 and Atmos.
 

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Here's my take on what they are doing with this 360 Reality Audio.

I have listened to most of the tracks on Tidal..
It seems to me that they are isolating the main voice/music in the centre/front speakers and using double stereo to emphasise the rest of the music/voice in the surrounds. In doing so they reduce the volume slightly to give more emphasis to the fronts.

There is not an element of separation going on.

Think we need an industry insider to explain what technique they are using, to achieve this dummy surround .
Or maybe that's the intention, to create Reality in all but name. and produce it as cheaply as possible.

The sound is perfectly clear, through my speaker set up.

In fact I've just checked out a few tracks on my Audio Technica ATH M50X phones.
Very nice stereo separation and clarity.

As cheaply as possible - hah I like that one - I only charge for speakers and wiring - oh and cable ties / clips and a few other bits & bobs, plus labour - at a mere fraction of what I should charge - wounded bulls I call other commercial operators.. as they charge as if the world's economy rested entirely on their shoulders to uphold . cheaply - no one seems to know the real meaning of that word..

- ps.
I just read the simplistic approach - of the system called:
360 reality audio
Google results state:

What is 360 reality audio?
The app is downloadable on iOS and Android.
It works by taking a photograph of your ear on your smartphone
(tip: get someone to help you so you get the position of your ear in the photo just right) and working out from that exactly how you hear.

It then optimises the playback for your personal hearing.Feb 21, 2020

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Say what ?
Just photograph the ear - from the outside - so that the app - can USE THAT to produce a sound (that) it thinks YOU can hear - completely devoid of course, by the FACT that anyone's AUDIBLE hearing IS NOT RELIANT only upon the physical look - of your outer ear - as DEAFNESS and hearing abnormalities take scant regards for - the shape - size or colour - of your ear?

What a load of codswallop ?
Sony advertising madness at it's best - talking B/S from the get go..
As I neither have a smart phone (?)
And if I ever did get one the tiny speakers in it or the earbuds they toss up at you as if they were way better than a home audio system's ones -
I also don't believe in the tripe that a photograph of one's ear canal - can DECIDE FOR YOU, what your ability to hear at various levels, or to discern noises from background sounds nearby - as well as old age hiss from severe tinnitus?

Take a picture - as that lets Sony get away with a few thousand less advertising words..

Oh and I don't believe in the hype either.
As - neither app - for either smart (dumb user) telephones - will ever be able to play with music - that I still use on vinyl & compact cassette tape, or on Youtube Videos or anywhere else that I get sound from?

Sorry - I may be old but I ain't daft.
 
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As cheaply as possible - hah I like that one - I only charge for speakers and wiring - oh and cable ties / clips and a few other bits & bobs, plus labour - at a mere fraction of what I should charge - wounded bulls I call other commercial operators.. as they charge as if the world's economy rested entirely on their shoulders to uphold . cheaply - no one seems to know the real meaning of that word..

- ps.
I just read the simplistic approach - of the system called:
360 reality audio
Google results state:



As I neither have a smart phone (?)
And if I ever did get one the tiny speakers in it or the earbuds they toss up at you as if they were way better than a home audio system's ones -
I also don't believe in the tripe that a photograph of one's ear canal - can DECIDE FOR YOU, what your ability to hear at various levels, or to discern noises from background sounds nearby - as well as old age hiss from severe tinnitus?

Take a picture - as that lets Sony get away with a few thousand less advertising words..

Oh and I don't believe in the hype either.
As - neither app - for either smart (dumb user) telephones - will ever be able to play with music - that I still use on vinyl & compact cassette tape, or on Youtube Videos or anywhere else that I get sound from?

Sorry - I may be old but I ain't daft.

Welcome to the forum
 

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As a PS4 owner, I'm quite concerned about Sony not supporting Dolby Atmos (or DTS:X) while Microsoft (and presumably the XBox) supports both. From what I've read about Sony's 360 format, it appears to be a 2-channel based system that will eventually offer a customized binaural template to match up with your particular head size for headphone use. That's all good and fine for headphone use (I'm a fan of binaural audio ever since I heard Disney's demo of it at the MGM Studios clear back in the 1990s where you get a haircut, etc. in binaural and in fact, I have a demo disc with similar effects that I find most people have never heard and are amazed (and horrified) when bees appear to land in their ears, etc. in the demos).

But what about speaker use? I have my PS4 in a 11.1.6 Atmos home theater and I keep thinking how awesome it would be to play games like Star Wars Battlefront in Dolby Atmos on my system instead of just an upmixer like Neural X. It did sound like Sony plans to eventually expand the format to have home theater support, but will it be a new format requiring new AVR support or is it going to be a software version of something like Dolby's height virtualizer or DTS's Virtual X?

I'm honestly contemplating switching to an XBox because of this. Playing Jedi Fallen Order in Atmos is too tempting.
 
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