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HiRez Poll Townsend, Devin - EMPATH [Blu-Ray Audio]

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Rate the BDA of Devin Townsend - EMPATH

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4-earredwonder

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I had another full listen to this tonight. The music is certainly growing on me as I get to understand it, and there are some really superb and immense themes in the there. I'm left wanting to play it more, which is a good sign.

His 5.1 mix is actually much more discrete than I first gave it credit for, but it appears to me to be mixed very differently from the norm. It's like he's "micro-mixed" the phrases and sections that make up the songs across the surround field, rather than the more usual approach of mixing tracks/instruments to discrete channels. It works well for his "wall of sound" type of music, but it can sound like a (very good) upmix rather than a more "traditional" discrete mix.

Going to have to listen more before casting judgement, but it's now at least an eight. :)
Is it me or is the BD~A, Disc III encoded at a very low level ....????
 

Marplot

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Neil, watch the doc on his mixing Genesis. He did exactly what you described, moved sections in channels rather than entire instruments. It probably took him 6 hours to mix Genesis from the source to 5.1. His dedication to his vision almost humbles me.
Hell, he mixed destructively and there is no way to recreate his mix live without backing tracks.
I have zero issue with anyone that doesn't dig it, music is personal, but I doubt any MCH fan can watch his process without appreciating it.
 

Neil Palfreyman

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Neil, watch the doc on his mixing Genesis. He did exactly what you described, moved sections in channels rather than entire instruments. It probably took him 6 hours to mix Genesis from the source to 5.1. His dedication to his vision almost humbles me.
Hell, he mixed destructively and there is no way to recreate his mix live without backing tracks.
I have zero issue with anyone that doesn't dig it, music is personal, but I doubt any MCH fan can watch his process without appreciating it.
I haven't watched it yet, but that ties up completely with what I'm hearing. Does he explain why he chose to do it that way? I know (from reading the inserts) that he started off intending to mix from stems, but I thought he abandoned that approach? ...i'm intrigued enough to watch it, maybe later today. I'm not aware of anyone who's tried to mix surround like that.

WRT the music; As I said in an earlier post, I find it truly progressive (in the real sense of the word) - I can hear shades of Muse, Opeth, Dream Theater, The Enid, Pink Floyd ...but he's created a work of art that's actually quite unique.
 

Marplot

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To watch him at work is to understand how he transforms the tracks into a copy of what he hears in his head. I'm talking pitch shifting some notes, applying reverb and then panning them front to back to accomplish his vision.
There is no way he could have done that with stems, he uses every track and gets crazy with all of it. He also explains his dislike of compression in recording and how he gets around it. (hint, more destructive edits).
I doubt anyone else mixes surround like that. Heck, he may not do it again. It seems time intensive and certainly not something you could do to music you didn't create.
 

Frans

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It's ambitious as hell and highly entertaining. The visuals are far beyond what one would expect from what is essentially a BD-A. There is so much here, that it is hard to grasp it all without using the word epic. Devin is an acquired taste, but this is my favorite of his so far - his soundscape is finally no longer constrained to an unintentional wall of sound 2 ch presentation. I haven't checked the 2ch version out, but why?
 

Marplot

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I'm with you Frans, it took a long time for me to get into Dev. It was when he released Ki that I finally checked my baggage at the door and said 'OK Dev, I'm along for the ride now, entertain me'. Same thing happened with Wilson, too mellow for me but when I heard a few tracks from Home Invasion it all clicked and I'm a SW/PT fan now also.
 

Marplot

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Sorry, my point was that he may never mix 5.1 in that manner again; but this is Dev we are talking about and they don't call it Devy Metal for nothing. He does things his way. His next project may have changed. From the cesspool that is Blabbermouth:

Canadian singer, songwriter and producer Devin Townsend has revealed that he is working on a new album
Devin describes the material he has come up with so far as a "weird, alien sounding, effervescent, sunny load of oddness."
Late Monday night (August 3), Townsend took to his Twitter to write: "I think I'm writing an album, unexpectedly, called Lightwork that is abstract and a stream of conscious. Still significantly far away from anything, but it's determinedly taking shape. It's been odd though, as every record is a reflection of the time it was conceived.
"And this is clearly a weird time. It's strange, abstract, meandering and weird. If I try to curb it and write something more disciplined, it would be a dumb rehash of stuff I'm clearly bored of. So I follow this where it wants to go.
"Almost seems like it would make sense for it to be a continuous, shifting, colourful beast as opposed to a collection of songs – more like songs in a highly elaborate and sort of alien stream of conscious: no real beginning or end."
Devin continued: "But regardless: as much as I have tried to shift my motivations from this weird collection of work to something more ‘palatable' it seems clear that this is what's in my path now, so I'm going to finish it in the way that it insists.
"I suppose considering the strange unique intensity of this period, it makes perfect sense when I hear it.
"Anyways, the next album will be called Lightwork and though it's still being discovered, it's a weird, alien sounding, effervescent, sunny load of oddness. Alien as in: 'this makes no traditional sense but seems to have an underlying order'
"Visually, I see a weird kind of muted Winnie The Pooh type landscape with endless processions of characters, objects, people, creatures etc wandering from one side of the page to the other – an endless parade of dissimilar things, and just kind of watching them go by."
 
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