Otto...as a basic start point, for home made MC, this technology is ok.
disappointment happens, when the people stuck with it, producing tonns of lifeless upmixes, in which on the second or third minute of the listening you already know how will sound all next songs of the album.
Greg......these are great questions. I think #2 is best suited for either SBU or the Plogue forum, and I'm not even going to try to tackle it.Two quickie question for everyone:
1) From what I've gathered so far, SPEC sounds like it is a very effective Panorama slicer that can be configured in a variety of ways. Is this correct?
2) Can SPEC, or another Plogue Bidule processing function, also extract *just* out of phase infomation?
I don't know a whole lot about Penteo. I think the way he's promoted the process online has probably turned me off more to the process than it really should. Then again, there's probably a few guys who just read that from me and rolled their eyes.Using this stuff is great fun, and eye opening. What I've found so far (with very little knowledge and time spent experimenting) is that the rear channel extraction is pretty awesome and easy, it almost does it itself. The difficult part is getting stuff OUT of the front channels and either into the center or into the back by itself.
It seems that a guitar part may be heard in the back very clearly, loudly, and exposed, however, it's still in the fronts. To get it right, you'd need to get that guitar out of the fronts, so it can shine on it's own in the rears. That's the part I have to play around with, although I'm not sure if it can be done.
DKA - How does this all compare to something like the Penteo process?
great minds must think alike. I actually did the first Doors album sometime last year with an earlier build of SPEC (3.0), but utilizing that very same source and for that very same reason. it came out very well then, and I'm sure your touch, along with the more advanced method, will result in an even better listen.I am having fun with this! Now I have 10 albums in prep stage to experiment with. I would comment on the last one I put up last night, The Doors (1st album) on DCC Gold. As we all know, The Best Of The Doors is a favorite of quad fans. The Perceptions box included DVD-A surround mixes for all the studio albums, but the first album was pretty much 3.1 since there weren't that many tracks (4 track with echo etc decisions printed to the tracks) to work with in the first place.
I'll just say this; it was readily apparent to me that with a little coaxing, this will end up being a more satisfying listening experience.
The newer version of SPEC (4.2.1) is easier to configure, sounds better and seems to get me to the fun zone sooner.
Wow I must say that it's VERY impressive!!!...like I need more stuff to do ...hehehe...but always great to know it's there...OK. Some of you have asked to hear what this stuff all does and sounds like. Here's a minute (well, a bit over a minute) of the rear channels of a song you've all heard a million times, Aerosmith's Dream On - attached as a stereo MP3. This is the result using the above setup with NO TWEAKING, it's just what you get!!! You should be able to just play it right from here.
I thought it was pretty impressive. Please listen and comment as I'd love to hear what you guys think.
We'll, I'll put myself out there and say that we would love to have someone like you, who's also experienced on the quad end of things, involved, Kap'n, and would be glad to help out in any way possible.Wow I must say that it's VERY impressive!!!...like I need more stuff to do ...hehehe...but always great to know it's there...
Thanks for the feedback, Z, as it really helps to understand the basic principles of how SPEC works. I've heard enough DTS torrents from SPEC conversions, as well as the similar PENTEO process to realize Panorama Slicing is a viable and exciting avenue to explore.Wunlow,
Someone told me there were some SPEC questions on this forum so I registered to find out. I'm the author of SPEC.
I'd like to keep most of the SPEC dialog on surroundbyus.com but I'll answer your above questions.
1) Yes, (so far) all of SPECs methods work off the Panned position of sounds in the original stereo. I'm starting to work with phase and frequency as well, but don't have anything ready for prime time yet.
2) SPEC isn't set up to extract "out of phase" information at this time, but you can certainly do that (an almost anything else) with Plogue Bidule. For instance, if you wanted to flip the phase of an audio signal by 180 degrees you would just use a multiply bidule and a "-1" constant.
no, i'm not.Otto...
Are you saying that you've utilized SPEC,
you can't do this. for such tweaking you need to use more advanced sound editor.It seems that a guitar part may be heard in the back very clearly, loudly, and exposed, however, it's still in the fronts. To get it right, you'd need to get that guitar out of the fronts, so it can shine on it's own in the rears. That's the part I have to play around with, although I'm not sure if it can be done.