Please post your thoughts and comments on this release from STEVEN WILSON.
HiRez Poll Wilson, Steven - THE RAVEN THAT REFUSED TO SING [Blu-Ray Audio]
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Received the limited edition Blu-Ray book/box-set today.
The album in 5.1 is another stunner from Mr. Wilson. Personally I prefer it to Grace for Drowning. In general much warmer and melodic. Two tracks stand out on first listen, Drive Home and The Raven, both slow pieces. Also I really enjoyed The Watchmaker.
The surround field is wide and enveloping in many places, but scales back for appropriate moments, no gimmicks, just gives an immersive feeling of being in the centre of the musicians without distractions.
One other observation, it has some noise and hum of the analogue/live feel that is noticeable at the end of some tracks. I don't mind it, and in some ways it feels more genuine by being there.
Overall, a very grown-up and less pretentious album than some previous offerings. A very good piece of work indeed.
The album in 5.1 is another stunner from Mr. Wilson. Personally I prefer it to Grace for Drowning. In general much warmer and melodic. Two tracks stand out on first listen, Drive Home and The Raven, both slow pieces. Also I really enjoyed The Watchmaker.
The surround field is wide and enveloping in many places, but scales back for appropriate moments, no gimmicks, just gives an immersive feeling of being in the centre of the musicians without distractions.
One other observation, it has some noise and hum of the analogue/live feel that is noticeable at the end of some tracks. I don't mind it, and in some ways it feels more genuine by being there.
Overall, a very grown-up and less pretentious album than some previous offerings. A very good piece of work indeed.
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Another observation, the PCM 5.1 audio track is recorded at a much lower volume than the DTS-MA HD 5.1 track, plus it may be my imagination but I think more defined (less boomy) bass as well.
Also, as a tip, you'll notice there are instrumental versions (and one 'lounge' version) of each track. These are listed in small characters under each name of the main track (when in the track selection menu). At first I was using the down arrow on the remote control and it was only jumping between each main track and ignoring the alternative versions. But when you are on a main track if you then use the left arrow it will take you to the instrumental version! By the way these alternative versions are only in stereo as far as I can see.
Also, as a tip, you'll notice there are instrumental versions (and one 'lounge' version) of each track. These are listed in small characters under each name of the main track (when in the track selection menu). At first I was using the down arrow on the remote control and it was only jumping between each main track and ignoring the alternative versions. But when you are on a main track if you then use the left arrow it will take you to the instrumental version! By the way these alternative versions are only in stereo as far as I can see.
neil wilkes
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
My copies also both arrived in the last 2 days - the book first, followed by the standalone a day later.
It's too soon yet to give a vote on this one for me - at first listen, I prefer Grace by some way but with Steven it is impossible to go with initial reactions as first listen really is not close to long enough. To my mind it is also much more of a band album than either "Insurgentes" or "Grace for Drowning" were - the "Get All You Deserve" live show will give you an indication of the awesome quality of these players.
Bonus content is partly out in plain view (the "making of" docco) and partly hidden in plain sight (the instrumental versions & the lounge version, as pointed out above) and I have to say I love the menu - very, very nice work from Ray at iSonic.
I have to confess to being surprised the demo versions included on CD2 in the book are not on the BluRay, but this is by no means a problem.
The book version is beautifully done & if you can find stock, I highly recommend it - not only is the art & drawings superbly executed (it looks like the same artist who did the workbook for "The Incident"), there is something indefinable about the way a new book smells - it's all part of the way Steven packages his art and sad to say he is in a minority as far too many people ignore this. If all that were not enough, the title is "The Raven that Refused to Sing & Other Stories" - and you get the stories in the book as well which I thought was a very nice touch indeed.
Anyone who has not yet found it, there is a 1080p video of the title track at K-Scope's "youtube" channel which is an absolutely beautiful song. Simply outstanding.
It's too soon yet to give a vote on this one for me - at first listen, I prefer Grace by some way but with Steven it is impossible to go with initial reactions as first listen really is not close to long enough. To my mind it is also much more of a band album than either "Insurgentes" or "Grace for Drowning" were - the "Get All You Deserve" live show will give you an indication of the awesome quality of these players.
Bonus content is partly out in plain view (the "making of" docco) and partly hidden in plain sight (the instrumental versions & the lounge version, as pointed out above) and I have to say I love the menu - very, very nice work from Ray at iSonic.
I have to confess to being surprised the demo versions included on CD2 in the book are not on the BluRay, but this is by no means a problem.
The book version is beautifully done & if you can find stock, I highly recommend it - not only is the art & drawings superbly executed (it looks like the same artist who did the workbook for "The Incident"), there is something indefinable about the way a new book smells - it's all part of the way Steven packages his art and sad to say he is in a minority as far too many people ignore this. If all that were not enough, the title is "The Raven that Refused to Sing & Other Stories" - and you get the stories in the book as well which I thought was a very nice touch indeed.
Anyone who has not yet found it, there is a 1080p video of the title track at K-Scope's "youtube" channel which is an absolutely beautiful song. Simply outstanding.
MyCuff
600 Club - QQ All-Star
Can't vote yet, but on my first pass listening I am very happy this is in my collection. I sort of wish there were more tracks.
LizardKing
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
I like the authoring too!!!
I find this one has a slightly different sound to Grace for Drowning..... I like it though...Love the piano bits, Beggs on bass/stick, great drums...
Steven got some great guys around him on this....
Slightly off topic but I hope that this means that Ray Shulman will author a blu-ray for the Gentle Giant - In A Glass House that is rumoured to happen.... that would be cool
I find this one has a slightly different sound to Grace for Drowning..... I like it though...Love the piano bits, Beggs on bass/stick, great drums...
Steven got some great guys around him on this....
Slightly off topic but I hope that this means that Ray Shulman will author a blu-ray for the Gentle Giant - In A Glass House that is rumoured to happen.... that would be cool
LizardKing
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
P.S. Don't watch the moon for too long on the screen - I makes me think I've been taking some stuff I haven't taken in a long time.... trippy! @:
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staygroovy
400 Club - QQ All-Star
Musically speaking, this album gets a ***** (five thumbs up) recommendation from me.
Incidentally, the last one of those I may have given was probably back in 1984 for Prince's "Purple Rain", none since.
It felt like a work of art of the highest caliber, and the experience of first listening took me back to the long-ago forgotten 'warm-and-fuzzy' vibes of getting goose bumps hearing/discovering a spectacular album destined to become a classic. Truly beautiful and lyrical.
Add Alan Parsons' touch to this... wow, just wow!
The early reports from other geeks indicate that the Mch is DR:13, which (according to them) would make it three better than the stereo version purported to be DR:10. It might be a bit sad that the bonus instrumentals aren't Mch, but at this point not a big deal.
I just hope it helps convert a few more young'uns to the surround camp.
Incidentally, the last one of those I may have given was probably back in 1984 for Prince's "Purple Rain", none since.
It felt like a work of art of the highest caliber, and the experience of first listening took me back to the long-ago forgotten 'warm-and-fuzzy' vibes of getting goose bumps hearing/discovering a spectacular album destined to become a classic. Truly beautiful and lyrical.
Add Alan Parsons' touch to this... wow, just wow!
The early reports from other geeks indicate that the Mch is DR:13, which (according to them) would make it three better than the stereo version purported to be DR:10. It might be a bit sad that the bonus instrumentals aren't Mch, but at this point not a big deal.
I just hope it helps convert a few more young'uns to the surround camp.
Excellent album! Incredible how much more detail (and bass) is in this 5.1 version in comparison to the MP3 stereo versions I have been listening to for the past few weeks. MP3's really are crap aren't they? Anyway, a 10! Don't miss it.
DKA
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
Just ordered mine. Been out of the loop. Can't wait.
Robert van Diggele
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
I think Burning Shed had it for GBP45.00. Platomania in The Netherlands still have stock, at €69,99. JPC in Germany seems to have sold out on this item as well.
BananaSlug
1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
On first listen this is the most interesting thing SW has done in years. Glad I just kept buying all his new releases...
For those who are interested, it looks like Amoeba Music has the deluxe set in stock currently at $65.98. I haven't received it so can't confirm that it's correct but the price seems to be in line with Burning Shed. I might have ordered once from AM in the past but can't recall quality of shipping packaging etc. I'm seeing this on the bay at upwards of $177 US.
zfox
Member
The two 5.1 waveforms (decoded DTS-MA and PCM) should be bit by bit identical, but slightly differ. The main properties are the same though, e.g., replaygain values which should not justify a volume difference. I also noticed this difference using PowerDVD which results probably from a software bug. If that's not the case, keep in mind that the DTS container may include metadata that assist the decoder in applying post processing to the signal which can create this volume difference.
I hope that helps a bit.
elmer
2K Club - QQ Super Nova
I know that this will probably never happen, but it seems to me that for your vote to qualify, you should, at least, be required to provide a brief explanation as to why you voted. Rather than feeling like you have to call out someone for a vote that seems rather random (I am referring to the "6"), it would prevent those "inexplicable" votes from dirtying the pool. I'm fine with a "6" or a "2" - just stand behind your vote with an explanation.
Sorry zfox, you lost me there. If they are bit by bit identical how can they differ at all?
zfox
Member
What I write is clear. They SHOULD be bit-by-bit identical. They are not, though. There are slightly different peaks. The DTS-MA files were properly decoded using the ArcSoft decoder.
BTW, the lounge version of Drive Home is really nice.
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