• QuadraphonicQuad welcomes you and encourages your participation! Treat all members with respect. Please keep all discussions civil, even when you have a strong opinion on a particular topic.

    Do not offer for free, offer for sale, offer for trade, or request copies or files of copyrighted material - no matter how rare or unavailable to the public they might be. We do not condone the illegal sharing of music. There are many places on the internet where you can participate in such transactions, but QuadraphonicQuad is not one of them. We are here to encourage and support new multichannel releases from those companies that still provide them and as such the distribution of illegal copies of recordings is counter-productive to that effort. Any posts of this sort will be deleted without notification.

    Please try to avoid discussions that pit one format against another. Hint for new users: make liberal use of the search facilities here at QuadraphonicQuad. Our message base is an incredibly rich resource of detailed information on virtually all topics pertaining to surround-sound. You will be surprised at what you can find with a little digging!
  • Or, the forum for the old vinyl and quad 8's and reels. It's far from complete--there are many hundreds of non-classical titles yet to post--but a few hundred are here with more to come; I pretty much add 'em when I'm in the mood, or one of you good folks PM me with a request to add something. The best way to use this forum is to go to the bottom of the page and look for something alphabetically by title. The last name of an artist is first where applicable, as in Simon, Paul. The Guess Who are listed as Guess Who, The, to facilitate finding them easily. Soundtracks, Original Cast, and Various Artists are listed as such first, then the album title. A few classical titles are here, with Classical as a header (or will be if I ever weed them in). The idea is to be able to alphabetize and then click, page by page, an A-Z (forward or backward) of what it up at the moment. To do this effectively, remember to click 'Beginning' in the left box, 'Thread title' to its right, so that all titles will list. No titles are ever removed, and all are accessible, and nothing (to date) has been lost in the ether. Just as vinyl lasts a lot longer than its creators could have imagined, so has this board, so far. We're small but we ain't goin' anywhere! FWIW, most of these mixes are long out of print, and only available digitally through like-minded audiophiles--some easy to find, some tough, some perhaps impossible at this time due to rarity or someone just hasn't gotten around to making a transfer from the original sources. That's too bad, but the record companies in the new millennium have no interest in reissuing these even as DTS titles. The exceptions are the QS albums, which if you have the equipment, should decode on CD as they did on vinyl, since for most only a QS master was made. Some SQ titles do exist on CD as well, but not a lot, and less of those were SQ only. As for CD-4 discrete, some titles have made their way onto DVD-Audio, DVD or SACD formats and some OOP DTS titles, but the majority are still commercially unavailable, alas. Only vintage albums are spotlighted here, although there is nothing wrong with discussing the alternate 5.1 or quad mixes that have come along since the 1971-76 'golden age' of quadraphonic sound which, thanks to the three major competing formats (CD-4, SQ, QS), inferior decoding equipment, and consumer confusion and misunderstanding and major label incompetence, rendered the format all but dead by the end of '76. Anyone curious about what quad titles from this time frame exist should click here for Mark Anderson's discography listings. Final note: If there is a title you want to see here that I haven't gotten to as yet, shoot me a PM and I'll see what I can do. There are still many hundreds left to go, and we're here to stay.... ED

Quad LP/Tape Poll ZZ Top: Tres Hombres [Q8/Q4]

Help Support QuadraphonicQuad:

Rate Tres Hombres

  • 6

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5: So-so

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 4

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1: Bad Mix, Bad Sound, Bad Content

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    37

arnold_layne

300 Club - QQ All-Star
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
342
I just snagged a R2R to DVD-A transfer of this from a particular demonistic website. It's a recent transfer. The vocals are all coming from the right front and rear channels. Having never heard the quad mix before I do not know if this the correct set up. Can anyone confirm the correct channel set up? This is how the disc was encoded because I'm using HDMI to my 7.1 receiver.

A_L
 

raggal62

Active Member
Joined
Sep 4, 2003
Messages
83
On the Q8 format, the vocals emanate from the front channels. I would assume the Q4 version would be the same.
 

MyCuff

600 Club - QQ All-Star
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
672
Location
Connecticut
My understanding is the Q4 version has the vocals on the right - RF and RR. Check the drum placement. That should be Front (L & R)
 

arnold_layne

300 Club - QQ All-Star
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
342
My understanding is the Q4 version has the vocals on the right - RF and RR. Check the drum placement. That should be Front (L & R)
Just seems like a strange way to mix an album in Quad. I need to get hold of a Q8 and do some comparing.
 

ghalteman

Well-known Member
Joined
Feb 7, 2005
Messages
184
Location
Reading, PA
As for the high end sound quality of the Q4 reel, it isn't there period. I had to boost the high end when I converted my reel.
 

Q-Eight

2K Club - QQ Super Nova
Since 2002/2003
Joined
Sep 30, 2003
Messages
3,081
Location
Castlegar, BC, Canada
Is there more than one mix of this album then? I have an older DTS conversion and the Q8 and both have vocals in the front, but drums are split front left and back right.
 

arnold_layne

300 Club - QQ All-Star
Joined
Nov 28, 2006
Messages
342
I just "remixed" the quad reel version from the demon site. Moved each channel counterclockwise using HD DVD-Audio Solo. Now the vocals are in the front. Drums are left front and left rear. With this "remix" the vocals and guitar solos are dead center in the front channels. I actually had to put my ear to the center speaker to verify no sound was coming from it, it was that convincing. This set up sounds right to me even if it's not the original mixer's intent.

A_L
 

MyCuff

600 Club - QQ All-Star
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
672
Location
Connecticut
I don't have the software to do that. Fortunately, my speakers are all pretty much the same, so if I feel the need I will just turn sideways!
 

Bob Romano

Administrator
Staff member
Since 2002/2003
Joined
Apr 26, 2002
Messages
4,655
Location
Viva Las Vegas
I obviously F'ed this one up. When I looked at the wavs I did notice that the front left and rear right had the drums. I thought this was either a case of the channels being mixed up at the reproduction plant or something else. Never did I even consider that the drums would be split like that. I will have to revisit this one and correct it.
 

EMB

2K Club - QQ Super Nova
Since 2002/2003
Joined
Feb 8, 2004
Messages
4,104
Location
The Top 40 Radio of My Mind
I obviously F'ed this one up. When I looked at the wavs I did notice that the front left and rear right had the drums. I thought this was either a case of the channels being mixed up at the reproduction plant or something else. Never did I even consider that the drums would be split like that. I will have to revisit this one and correct it.
That said, the best sonics I've ever heard for this album, FWIW! :) Look forward to the adjusted edition.

As a side note...the early ZZ's didn't have much in the high end of the audio spectrum, except for your usual basic analog tape hiss. My guess is that if someone who had never heard (or heard of) the band (but was familiar with the basic '60s 'sound' of rock recordings done at indie studios) listened to this today, they would assume, at best, it was something recorded on 3-track in, say, 1963. The album was released a decade later, but you'd never guess that by the sonics, which are very confined and limited, not to mention the limitations of the band: three guys, but this was no Cream, no virtuosos here, just capable, basic players with a lot of enthusiasm and gonads. The songs and performance are as basic as a hamburger with ketchup and mustard, and appealing for that reason. If an album could be made without any pretense at bullshit, by talented yet obviously 'average' musicians, TRES HOMBRES would be my exemplar of such a beast (the other one would be Lonnie Mack's THE WHAM! OF THAT MEMPHIS MAN, which WAS recorded in 1963!). I like it a lot even while understanding just how rote and crude it is, like holding a handful of dirt, being a gardener, and enjoying just being able to grasp that dirt. This is an album that a part of me should dismiss, but never could. It's a noisy, raucous masterpiece of its sort.

ED :)
 

Charley

Member
Joined
Aug 29, 2002
Messages
35
Location
Dallas, Texas
As corrected, the call and response in Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers now is as God and ZZ T intended. I give it a 10.:brew
 

Lucanu

1K Club - QQ Shooting Star
Joined
Apr 22, 2005
Messages
1,628
Location
Cabras, Sardinia, Italy, Europe, World, Solar syst
I obviously F'ed this one up. When I looked at the wavs I did notice that the front left and rear right had the drums. I thought this was either a case of the channels being mixed up at the reproduction plant or something else. Never did I even consider that the drums would be split like that. I will have to revisit this one and correct it.
Bob, I had time to listen to your conversion, and it rocks!!!

one thing more... maybe an issue. I had the RQR conversion and I notice that RL/RR are reversed, to me it sounds more "natural" as a quad mix
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Bob Romano

Administrator
Staff member
Since 2002/2003
Joined
Apr 26, 2002
Messages
4,655
Location
Viva Las Vegas
Bob, I had time to download your conversion, and it rocks!!!

one thing more... maybe an issue. I had the RQR conversion and I notice that RL/RR are reversed, to me it sounds more "natural" as a quad mix
Huh? Please tell me that Luca is kidding. I want it to be 100% correct. Please let me know.
 

MyCuff

600 Club - QQ All-Star
Joined
Jan 6, 2010
Messages
672
Location
Connecticut
Bob,
It sounds fine to me, right or wrong. With a quad there is 12 times the ways to get it wrong, and you have worked on this twice, so more likely the other conversion is the incorrect one. I defer to the experts, is there a Q8 for comparison?
 
Joined
Jan 2, 2009
Messages
47
Location
USA
Heard the transfer of this (corrected version) and it does indeed rock my socks! Voted 10. Beer Drinkers and Hell Raisers is just over-the-top wicked cool. What really blew my mind was hearing the different guitar parts in La Grange. On the stereo version, it all sounds like one guitar part - the quad mix reveals that even this simple riff was recorded as two separate tracks. At least that's what the mix seems to indicate. Crazy!
-------- Chris
 

GeezerJem

Active Member
Joined
Sep 11, 2003
Messages
64
Location
Sussex, UK
Been chasing this for ages as it's one of my Desert Island Discs in oldfangled London vinyl stereo. Finally found it in recently corrected version and it's a 10/10 within seconds of playing it. One of those rare effortless quad mixes that is just how you'd do it yourself .i.e. nothing sounds out of place or distracting just a spacious enhancement of the original. I even fought the expected 'remastered stereo' jump in La Grange knowing it couldn't possibly be there. It wasn't and it just goes to show that computers and a poop digital marmelization (?) remastering are no match for some who OBVIOUSLY quad mixed it with a love of the album at close to the time it was originally recorded. Thanks to all involved Bob and for the correction revisit Bob. The only time my jaw has been on the floor previously has been the Paranoid conversion which again is just perfect, expanding a loved stereo bestest-friend into perfect quad space. I have this niggle where i think that the quad mix should sound the same as the stereo mix OUTSIDE the listening room i.e. everything in the same proportion with no sticky-out bits to make you think it's different. Hergest Ridge failed miserably (gutted, see my review). This passes with flying colours, along with Paranoid, Brothers In Arms and the first Nickel Creek SACD (which still has to be surpassed on the hairs-standing-up-on-arms factor if only for Reasons Why).
Just awesome.
Jem.
 
2
Top