Holographic Disc Formats at NAB

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More on the Holographic Disc formats that plan to compete with Blu-Ray and HD-DVD....

DVD Insider #36
NAB Buzz - Mergers, HD, H.264
The Next Big Storage Bucket


The next generation - DVD - stumbled at the starting block.
Everybody and his brother liked the Philips/Sony formula and wanted a piece of the action (including the MPAA and RIAA). Since they couldn't reach a "best technology" compromise (translation less of "their" royalties) hardware producers had to choose sides, software people had to support everyone and media manufacturers like Verbatim had to just the right amount of each. Sony followed by LG solved the "which solution do I choose" by telling the consumer that they would throw all of the technologies into their burners, recorders, players. The consumer could decide which media to buy and use.

Plus must be better because it's plus but then -R is what we've used for years with CD so it's just like the comfortable media you're used to buying. Right?

Does the consumer know the difference? NO! Does the consumer care? Heck no!

All they want to know is which media is the best quality that will safely store audio, photo, video and data content on that will play…on anything!

Well the third generation of optical is suffering from the same "my blue-ray approach is better" but now more people want a piece of the royalties and more people want to keep you from copying "their" content. The BD products were the first to emerge and have sold pretty well in Japan. The HD DVD solution has been slow in emerging but it has some strong allies (lots of studios).

Neither approach will have much traction (sales) until 2008 but "everyone" says the multiple formats are "holding up" progress. To end the issue, the two main proponents - Toshiba and Sony - recently decided to sit down at the bargaining table to come up with one next-generation DVD standard and they decide like ladies and gentlemen who decides get what percentage of the royalties.

Yes…but!!!!
Life (and the world) is more complicated than it was 20 years ago. There aren't just two companies involved anymore. Now there are armies of accountants and lawyers from every point of the globe elbowing up to the table for their piece of the action. Isn't that the way the camel was designed???

The new standard will be released shortly but it will be at least six months to work out the details and another six months before we see product - hardware, software, media. IDC's projection that it would be 2010 before Blue-Ray technology hardware has even a few percent of the total DVD sales is starting to look very real!

If H.264 takes off as there is every indication it will and we start to use more of the $40 DVD burners, sub-$150 DVD recorders and sub 50 cent DVD-R media that blue sales penetration rate could stretch out to 2015.

All of that is good news for most people but you do have to feel sorry for those Japanese consumers who purchased their expensive BD recorders and cartridge BD media. Like Laserdisc they'll have another collector's item.

The Dark Horse?
Even as they talked in the smoke-filled back room, the HD and BD camps touted their superior solutions. At the same time two camps for an even more attractive storage solutions were demonstrated at NAB…holographic.

The technology has been rattling around in the R&D labs for more than 20 years and has been tried with everything from tape to discs to who knows. But it now appears to be commercially viable albeit for business and professional use for the next five years and then move into the consumer space around 2010.

The big deal is that it a single disc will hold about 300GB out of the gate and can ultimately have a capacity of up to 3.9 TB on a single disc. Burners and media will initially be about the same cost as Blue technology stuff but as we have seen prices deteriorate rapidly as manufacturers rush to buy marketshare.

Both the HVD (holographic versatile disc) and HDS (holographic data storage) camps claim they will be first with real product early next year. While the HDS group showed some really polished videos of their technology, the HVD folks showed real prototype hardware and media.

From what we heard and saw, if we were a manufacturer or software developer we'd put our money on the HVD horse being the first one out of the gate late this year/early next year. The technology already the intense support it has from disc, material, device and tester producers. Best guess is that drives and media will initially be about the same cost as Blue-based products (which is a long way from consumer prices).

Can't wait for Christmas…have to wonder who will be the first with a $50 H.264 codec DVD burner and sub-$500 HD camera? Our DVD collection is starting to look like a good long-term investment for our home theater.

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This really does look like it could actually be the true "next generation" technology.
The whole Blue laser thing is riddled with competing formats. Even if, and it's a big if, the Blu Ray and HD-DVD camps do unite, there are still the chinese and taiwanese formats of EVD and FVD to consider. The chinese one in particular could spell death to any unified format as it will involve the chinese not having to pay out any royalties, so guess what type of players they will be building?
Even if they do decide to do both, then it seems as if a lot of the major studios are worried about DRM. And in these days who can blame them?
 
neil wilkes said:
This really does look like it could actually be the true "next generation" technology.
The whole Blue laser thing is riddled with competing formats. Even if, and it's a big if, the Blu Ray and HD-DVD camps do unite, there are still the chinese and taiwanese formats of EVD and FVD to consider. The chinese one in particular could spell death to any unified format as it will involve the chinese not having to pay out any royalties, so guess what type of players they will be building?
Even if they do decide to do both, then it seems as if a lot of the major studios are worried about DRM. And in these days who can blame them?

From what I've read about the Chinese market, they've already started making and selling discs in the format developed in their country for exactly that reason - to avoid paying patent/IP royalties to the folks holding the DVD licenses.

On the Holographic discs, it is an intriguing area. And one of these companies has already contacted me about their early plans. So we could yet see one or more of these discs come to fruition - with music applications, no less! Hmm...
 
neil wilkes said:
there are still the chinese and taiwanese formats of EVD and FVD to consider.

Neil,
what are the multichannel capabilities of these formats?
Does one of them implement some form of 24bit/96k/6ch audio, maybe with the use of a free codec such as Flac?
 
winopener said:
Neil,
what are the multichannel capabilities of these formats?
Does one of them implement some form of 24bit/96k/6ch audio, maybe with the use of a free codec such as Flac?

The new storage mediums, like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can easily accomodate 24/96 and DSD if desired.

When you're talking the Holographic Disc formats, they represent even larger storage capacities. Again, far more than what would be needed for hi rez, 6 channel audio !
 
bmoura said:
The new storage mediums, like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can easily accomodate 24/96 and DSD if desired.
Chinese could not care less of DSD.
If they are going a royalty-free road Flac can be on their way, DSD and MLP not. So, if FVD/EVD are already on production, what kind of mch have? Just linear PCM?
 
bmoura said:
The new storage mediums, like Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can easily accomodate 24/96 and DSD if desired.

When you're talking the Holographic Disc formats, they represent even larger storage capacities. Again, far more than what would be needed for hi rez, 6 channel audio !

DSD is NOT on the approved audio codec lists for either of these 2 formats.
The lossless options are:
DTS-HD
Dolby Digital Lossless (AKA MLP)
DSD does not enter into it at all.
 
neil wilkes said:
DSD is NOT on the approved audio codec lists for either of these 2 formats.
The lossless options are:
DTS-HD
Dolby Digital Lossless (AKA MLP)
DSD does not enter into it at all.

Well, it appears to "enter into it" on the upcoming Sony VAIO PC with Blu Ray ROM and DSD support.
 
bmoura said:
Well, it appears to "enter into it" on the upcoming Sony VAIO PC with Blu Ray ROM and DSD support.

Means nothing if i can do a disc on a pc and not enjoy it anywhere else. It is as i will record a cd with 48k sr, 24 bit and then complain that it doesn't play on audio machines. It can't, it is just out of specs. And DSD is out of specs now.
Furthermore, sacd capabilities aren't there, so it's just a way to use some chips that otherwise will be trashed since sacd is going to die by the hands of their own creators.
So much for the sacd evangelist..
 
winopener said:
Means nothing if i can do a disc on a pc and not enjoy it anywhere else.

Well, the PC will support Blu-Ray and DSD. As to what people will use those capabilities for, we will find out when it comes out.

Stay tuned....
 
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