You know I've been considering loading JRiver, do you know how that's accomplished Garry; could push me to pull the trigger finally?Interesting. It now supports hosting in JRiver. Nice easy way to hear your upmix before doing a FLAC conversion.
do you know how that's accomplished Garry
plus the ilok usb cost. Which is Ā£43.99 on Amazon .
Thanks for the confirmation. I think I misunderstood your comment on Imager.
I successfully downloaded a JRiver trial and ran Imager and Penteo concurrently. Penteo has a bug in its 4.1 output layout and JRiver doesnāt even have a 4.1 output option anyway. But 5.1 worked fine. (I prefer 4.1 mixes).
Penteo does quad (4.0) ok but with 4.1 it has the wrong channel order. LFE is in centre, Rear Left in LFE and Right Rear in Left Rear.
if you create files you can fix the channel order (Music Media Helper has a tool to do it) but if you listen live then the channels are mixed up by default. You could fix in Reaper by re-mapping the output channels but thatās a pain.
I reported it to Penteo support but the tech insisted it was correct (wrong)
Penteo does quad (4.0) ok but with 4.1 it has the wrong channel order. LFE is in centre, Rear Left in LFE and Right Rear in Left Rear.
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I reported it to Penteo support but the tech insisted it was correct (wrong)
You're probably thinking of the "correct" order for 5.1 / 7.1, which has a center channel.
But that will not apply to 4.0/4.1 which has no center channel.
Yup, the real time factor for SM, I'm happy with the Penteo and once you've pulled the trigger on it you have it and is well worth the cost IMO.Surround Master gives good results but itās difficult and slow (real time) to record to file.
I have 4 surround systems (including my car) so creating files for future playback on all 4 is important to me.
Penteo gives great results with no artefacts, but is relatively expensive. Itās very easy to use and supports all speaker configurations 3.0 to 7.1.4 (although thereās not many players that support > 7.1 (currently)
Specweb can give good results but can also exhibit audible artefacts with certain tracks/instruments. Once I heard this I couldnāt ignore and found it dominated my listening (Either hearing it or always thinking it may be there and trying to hear it). Specweb is free though.
Both Penteo and SpecWeb do much faster than real time conversions (e.g a 40 min album in less than 10 min). Surround Master is really time (40 min album takes 40 min)
Yes of course.
Two important points:
1. Penteoās Output Configuration is set to: L R C LFE LSS RSS
2. No consumer output device plays a 5 channel file with LFE in the correct order (5 ch is 5.0 not 4.1)
My argument that Penteo 4.1 channel layout is wrong:
Penteo does not output the silent C when I set its output to 1 (above). That setting is wrong for 4.1.
The solution is to offer users another option to output 4.1 as 5.1 with silent centre. At least it can then be played correctly on any consumer system.
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