2013 Rock and Roll hall of fame show

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Just finished watching this yrs show. It was really good for once, Randy Newman/Donna Summer/LOU ADLER
who has gone unsung too long, intro by Cheech and Chong, and Carol King sang live. that was cool. Rush did two tunes-man has Geddy lost his voice, Heart, Quincy Jones who also desevres it.
nice jam at the end, missed about 30 min. but will watch it again.
 
Just finished watching it also. Enjoyed it alot. I never knew that Harry Belafonte was political. He did the induction for Public Enemy and said some very poignant words about America's prison population. Heart was excellent - Ann can still belt it out. I wouldn't say that Geddy has lost his voice - just my opinion. Regardless, Rush is super tight and they rock....still.
 
RRhoF...like they are in a contest with the Grammy's for the "most meaningless" award.
 
Just finished watching it also. Enjoyed it alot. I never knew that Harry Belafonte was political. He did the induction for Public Enemy and said some very poignant words about America's prison population. Heart was excellent - Ann can still belt it out. I wouldn't say that Geddy has lost his voice - just my opinion. Regardless, Rush is super tight and they rock....still.

not "lost" it's just age catching up. same with Carol King. Being you are Canadian I can't blame you for having that opinion
Yes Harry Belafonte political. PM to you
 
Overall, a decent roster of inductees this year, no one I would in all fairness leave out, even if I'm not a fan of Public Enemy, and neither Rush nor Heart, IMO, have a deep enough catalog to justify induction (which can't be said for Randy Newman or Donna Summer, the latter the only artist of any significance to come out of the disco era with a solid rep. Of course, her producer, Giorgio Moroder, probably deserves induction too). Albert King is deserving, as are Lou Adler for his productions ranging from early Jan & Dean to Johnny Rivers and the Mamas & Papas to Carole King and (choke) even Cheech & Chong. Quincy Jones is a multifaceted guy: Bandleader, arranger, and producer of Lesley Gore during her glory years, and Michael Jackson in superstar phase. Quincy's really a jazz cat at heart, but he was always open to all kinds of music.

For a change, there wasn't any act I could really quibble with whatever my misgivings. Both Rush and Heart have recorded some mighty good stuff; some dreck, too, alas. But there are less deserving acts that have been inducted, to be sure.

ED :)
 
Overall, a decent roster of inductees this year, no one I would in all fairness leave out, even if I'm not a fan of Public Enemy, and neither Rush nor Heart, IMO, have a deep enough catalog to justify induction (which can't be said for Randy Newman or Donna Summer, the latter the only artist of any significance to come out of the disco era with a solid rep. Of course, her producer, Giorgio Moroder, probably deserves induction too). Albert King is deserving, as are Lou Adler for his productions ranging from early Jan & Dean to Johnny Rivers and the Mamas & Papas to Carole King and (choke) even Cheech & Chong. Quincy Jones is a multifaceted guy: Bandleader, arranger, and producer of Lesley Gore during her glory years, and Michael Jackson in superstar phase. Quincy's really a jazz cat at heart, but he was always open to all kinds of music.

For a change, there wasn't any act I could really quibble with whatever my misgivings. Both Rush and Heart have recorded some mighty good stuff; some dreck, too, alas. But there are less deserving acts that have been inducted, to be sure.

ED :)

I could not have said it better!
 
Overall, a decent roster of inductees this year, no one I would in all fairness leave out, even if I'm not a fan of Public Enemy, and neither Rush nor Heart, IMO, have a deep enough catalog to justify induction (which can't be said for Randy Newman or Donna Summer, the latter the only artist of any significance to come out of the disco era with a solid rep. Of course, her producer, Giorgio Moroder, probably deserves induction too). Albert King is deserving, as are Lou Adler for his productions ranging from early Jan & Dean to Johnny Rivers and the Mamas & Papas to Carole King and (choke) even Cheech & Chong. Quincy Jones is a multifaceted guy: Bandleader, arranger, and producer of Lesley Gore during her glory years, and Michael Jackson in superstar phase. Quincy's really a jazz cat at heart, but he was always open to all kinds of music.

For a change, there wasn't any act I could really quibble with whatever my misgivings. Both Rush and Heart have recorded some mighty good stuff; some dreck, too, alas. But there are less deserving acts that have been inducted, to be sure.

ED :)

As in the polls on this forum, I guess it all depends on your personal criteria. It is, after all, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I appreciate that rock and roll owes everything to the blues, but maybe there should be a separate hall of fame for blues, pop, hip hop, etc. While I can acknowledge the talents of many who have already been inducted, I have a hard time connecting them to rock and roll. The same goes for Donna Summer and Public Enemy. And while I might agree that Heart does not have a deep enough catalog, I think the groundbreaking nature of their career (genuine female rock artists) at least merits their consideration. But Rush? Please. They've been rocking for almost forty years. Not deep enough? Yes, they have put out some dreck, but so has every other artist inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
 
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As in the polls on this forum, I guess it all depends on your personal criteria. It is, after all, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I appreciate that rock and roll owes everything to the blues, but maybe there should be a separate hall of fame for blues, pop, hip hop, etc. While I can acknowledge the talents of many who have already been inducted, I have a hard time connecting them to rock and roll. The same goes for Donna Summer and Public Enemy. And while I might agree that Heart does not have a deep enough catalog, I think the groundbreaking nature of their career (genuine female rock artists) at least merits their consideration. But Rush? Please. They've been rocking for almost forty years. Not deep enough? Yes, they have put out some dreck, but so has every other artist inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

I never listened to Rush in my life until Moving Pictures came out in 5.1. I know, my bad, but I grew up on Beatles and Stones and I was just "too old" for Rush. But my 2 boys are really into them and they got me turned on to them. Now, I love Rush. What a great band. My sense from watching the show that everybody there was happy to see Rush get inducted. And does it really mean anything to be in the RRHoF? Probably not - it's your music that really counts. But it is a nice bit of recognition just the same.
 
I never listened to Rush in my life until Moving Pictures came out in 5.1.

Went to one RUSH concert (in my late teens) and after waking up with ears still ringing, haven't been to another LOUD performance without cotton in the ears!
 
Went to one RUSH concert (in my late teens) and after waking up with ears still ringing, haven't been to another LOUD performance without cotton in the ears!
In 2006 (I'm guessing) my kids took me to a Tool concert. Oh my god it was loud. I don't know if that caused it but now I have permanent ringing that comes and goes. Be careful - there is no cure. You just have to learn to adapt to it.
 
In 2006 (I'm guessing) my kids took me to a Tool concert. Oh my god it was loud. I don't know if that caused it but now I have permanent ringing that comes and goes. Be careful - there is no cure. You just have to learn to adapt to it.

I go to a *lot* of gigs but never without my trusty noise reducing ear plugs. They're the type that don't change the frequency, just attenuate with a flat response. I don't always have to use them but I always have them available just in case.
 
I go to a *lot* of gigs but never without my trusty noise reducing ear plugs. They're the type that don't change the frequency, just attenuate with a flat response. I don't always have to use them but I always have them available just in case.
Yeah that was the irony of the Tool concert - my son was wearing those plugs! I never knew.
 
As in the polls on this forum, I guess it all depends on your personal criteria. It is, after all, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I appreciate that rock and roll owes everything to the blues, but maybe there should be a separate hall of fame for blues, pop, hip hop, etc. While I can acknowledge the talents of many who have already been inducted, I have a hard time connecting them to rock and roll. The same goes for Donna Summer and Public Enemy.

In the case of Donna Summer, the roots of her music were not in disco but in what came to be called 'Europop' which was a blend of American soul music and the more elaborate pop exotica coming out of Europe in the early '70s, like the Chakachas' "Jungle Fever" and what Frank Farian was doing with Boney M in Germany. In the event, I think many of her best singles certainly rocked enough and were soulful enough to merit her inclusion, like "Hot Stuff," "Heaven Knows" and the remarkable and hypnotic "I Feel Love." She was also the only star of any note to emerge from the disco genre with much respect, a credit not only to her talent and good sense but those of her producers and writers as well. Public Enemy I can't really speak about--not my kind of thing--but they owe more than a little to Parliament/Funkadelic (most rap does) and who would deny George Clinton and Bernie Worrell their creds?

And while I might agree that Heart does not have a deep enough catalog, I think the groundbreaking nature of their career (genuine female rock artists) at least merits their consideration.

Well, MY idea of 'genuine female rock artists' started with the Ronettes and Shangri-Las. But if you mean women with a guitar, we can go back further to Sylvia Robinson (of Mickey & Sylvia), the ladies Bo Diddley used to tour with, and rockin' girl groups like Fanny, the Runaways (and of course Joan Lett and Lita Ford), among others. The Heart of DREAMBOAT ANNIE, MAGAZINE and some of the early Portrait records IMO is HOF worthy, but that dreadful 80's edition? Popular, but artistically useless, hopelessly compromised by ambition and desperation and, like the equally dreadful Starship, chose success and commercialism over any pretense at originality or (sigh) creativity. Can you imagine the head shaking people would have done if Tom Petty or Bruce Springsteen had decided to throw it away like that just because a few records didn't sell? Or that it was easier to become hacks than it was to follow their own path, hell or high water?

But Rush? Please. They've been rocking for almost forty years. Not deep enough? Yes, they have put out some dreck, but so has every other artist inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

If longevity were a criteria for HOF induction, there are more than a few acts that simply wouldn't be in because they didn't last that long. But I'd take the New York Dolls' or MC5's meager catalogs over five years of Rush, let alone forty. Good band, solid and consistent, but when it comes to memorable rock music, not a lot comes to mind, to be honest. I've never disliked them, but they've rarely impressed me a lot, either. But again, I don't mind their induction, though I think it's a real borderline choice. Which might also be the case for those still waiting, like the Monkees and Moody Blues, to name two. But how you can induct Rush and ignore a talent like Johnny Rivers, whose run of hits from 1964-67 on Imperial were among the best and most consistent of any American rocker, is beyond me. In fact, how you can induct an ingratiating mump like Billy Joel and not Rivers is for me mystifying. And Johnny's albums were pretty hot, too!

ED :)
 
Some excellent points; but then using logic with the HOF is rather fruitless; it's a popularity contest, where actual merit is mostly a coincidence. I have no respect for an organization that refuses to acknowledge any progressive rock. Regardless of feelings towars the genre as a whole, there's no denying the absurdity of ignoring some of these groups. Use any metric you wish- album sales, concert attendance, longevity, quality of music (subjective, of course, but a consensus is not hard)- how can they possibly leave out a band like Yes? Or any number of the prog giants? This blatant prejudice seriously undermines any validity for the HOF.

In the case of Donna Summer, the roots of her music were not in disco but in what came to be called 'Europop' which was a blend of American soul music and the more elaborate pop exotica coming out of Europe in the early '70s, like the Chakachas' "Jungle Fever" and what Frank Farian was doing with Boney M in Germany. In the event, I think many of her best singles certainly rocked enough and were soulful enough to merit her inclusion, like "Hot Stuff," "Heaven Knows" and the remarkable and hypnotic "I Feel Love." She was also the only star of any note to emerge from the disco genre with much respect, a credit not only to her talent and good sense but those of her producers and writers as well. Public Enemy I can't really speak about--not my kind of thing--but they owe more than a little to Parliament/Funkadelic (most rap does) and who would deny George Clinton and Bernie Worrell their creds?



Well, MY idea of 'genuine female rock artists' started with the Ronettes and Shangri-Las. But if you mean women with a guitar, we can go back further to Sylvia Robinson (of Mickey & Sylvia), the ladies Bo Diddley used to tour with, and rockin' girl groups like Fanny, the Runaways (and of course Joan Lett and Lita Ford), among others. The Heart of DREAMBOAT ANNIE, MAGAZINE and some of the early Portrait records IMO is HOF worthy, but that dreadful 80's edition? Popular, but artistically useless, hopelessly compromised by ambition and desperation and, like the equally dreadful Starship, chose success and commercialism over any pretense at originality or (sigh) creativity. Can you imagine the head shaking people would have done if Tom Petty or Bruce Springsteen had decided to throw it away like that just because a few records didn't sell? Or that it was easier to become hacks than it was to follow their own path, hell or high water?



If longevity were a criteria for HOF induction, there are more than a few acts that simply wouldn't be in because they didn't last that long. But I'd take the New York Dolls' or MC5's meager catalogs over five years of Rush, let alone forty. Good band, solid and consistent, but when it comes to memorable rock music, not a lot comes to mind, to be honest. I've never disliked them, but they've rarely impressed me a lot, either. But again, I don't mind their induction, though I think it's a real borderline choice. Which might also be the case for those still waiting, like the Monkees and Moody Blues, to name two. But how you can induct Rush and ignore a talent like Johnny Rivers, whose run of hits from 1964-67 on Imperial were among the best and most consistent of any American rocker, is beyond me. In fact, how you can induct an ingratiating mump like Billy Joel and not Rivers is for me mystifying. And Johnny's albums were pretty hot, too!

ED :)
 
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