- Oct 31, 2008
- Middle TN
Please post your thoughts and comments on this 2017 Multichannel SACD release from Santana of their 1974 live album "Lotus", featuring some unreleased tracks that were not on the original album.
To answer winopeners question, here is a look at the beginning of "Samba de Sauslito", with the blast of bongo's starting it off. Yes, the bongo blast is also in the rears. You can also see the difference between the Surround Master decoded SACD and the Sony SACD as I am showing 2 minutes of this song in both versions. Obviously, the Sony is the top wav file, the AF decoded is the lower.Two questions:
1) Since this release is, despite all things, the first time that it is in a discrete format, where is the location of the Conga blast at the beginning of Samba de Sausalito?
2) How are the new extra tracks?
having no copies of this album I thought it would be good to get this one regardless. I really like it but would have loved an immersive music mix.I voted 6. Disappointment abounds with no surround. I won't bore you with a big review as others who posted before me have done a great job. My 6 vote is a mixture of feelings I have about this new release all jumbled up. Packaging superb and fun, a little larger in size than the previous Japan releases. Sonic quality is way better than the Audio Fidelity release of just a few months ago, very clear and robust, unlike AF's kind of muddy. Surround is almost non existent, a good example is Disc 1, Track 3, which has a laser sounding instrument, that would have been a no brainier to mix and spin around all the speakers in the room, but unfortunately just stays stereo. However, what makes this not a waste of plastic is the, I will call it "enhanced stereo sound", of course fills the listening room, which is great.
It is a live recording and as we all know our expectations should never be high on true discrete surround sound on old live recordings.
Am I glad I purchased it ? That's really the question. I could have passed. But it is nice to know that there are two SACD versions out now and one, this one, is superbly better than the other. The other reason only now that I have it, is "I am showing support for other Santana albums to be released in 5.1 SACD. That is not a good enough reason for me, but it helps.
My prediction is the next two will be Abraxas and Caravanseri.
After all these years of only having access to the SQ Matrix encoded version of the concert, it's great to have the album transferred from the Original Discrete Analog Master Tapes.Having no copies of this album I thought it would be good to get this one regardless. I really like it but would have loved an immersive music mix.
hi Ralph, thanks for all the feedback. is the bonus disc in 4.0 or 5.1? is the surround mix approach on the bonus tracks the same as on the original Quad? (i.e.ambient rather than active) tia.I JUST finished listening to the BONUS Disc [SACD 3] of LOTUS and I give it an 11! I played it at a robust 78 db, applied a +4 bass boost and it's really ASTOUNDING on my main system. All 7 tracks are brilliant Santana and the recording is amazing for the early 70's.
And we're hearing those tracks for the first time since the LIVE recording was made in 1973. Hidden Treasures.....all of them!:banana:
If you're on the fence about adding the SONY Japan 3 SACD set of LOTUS to your collection..........MY VERY HIGHEST RECOMMENDATION.
Seriously folks, it leaves the AF 2 SACD STEREO set in the dust!
Adam, it's 4.0. But let me say this. I thought the fronts and rears were mixed quite well integrating the live audience with the band. As bmoura [Brian] stated.....the engineers didn't utilize a gimmicky approach and I agree [at least in this instance]. There is ambience in the rears but no discrete elements other then a very enthusiastic audience.hi Ralph, thanks for all the feedback. is the bonus disc in 4.0 or 5.1? is the surround mix approach on the bonus tracks the same as on the original Quad? (i.e.ambient rather than active) tia.
Bill, as far as I'm concerned Disc 3 [the bonus disc] of LOTUS is the best of the batch in terms of content and fidelity. I still prefer the Japan SACD to the Audio Fidelity Stereo only SACD which omitted the 3rd bonus disc. The packaging is excellent, as you said.I haven't listened to the Lotus JSACD in quite awhile. Played most of the first disc this morning and feel the surround mix is a bit of a let down. I gave it a 5 as the surrounds are not very active as already mentioned several times. Not sure how aggressive the LP SQ (correct term?) mix was but I was expecting something a bit more than ambiance from the surrounds. Still very happy I bought the set as the artwork is incredible. If and when this set goes OOP it'll be quite expensive.
Cool! I'll be playing disc 3 tomorrow for sure.Bill, as far as I'm concerned Disc 3 [the bonus disc] of LOTUS is the best of the batch in terms of content and fidelity. I still prefer the Japan SACD to the Audio Fidelity Stereo only SACD which omitted the 3rd bonus disc. The packaging is excellent, as you said.
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